Didn't have a chance!

[Tink]

Where did I say anything about a side-road?

aha! I must have missed the missed part of the missing side road

[2wheeldrifter]

While I'm not condoning the actions of the car driver in the slightest, did anyone notice the fact that at the start of the clip there is no motorcycle in front of the car?

The bike pulled straight out from the side of the road in front of the car.

Some are reading way to fast.......

[MSTRS:Me]

'cos if it was a broken line on one side, they only could cross it.

A broken yellow simply means a solid yellow is being approached. If you are already overtaking, you have the length of the broken to get back on your correct side. (of course, if you have a quick bike, and you can start/complete your passing manouevre in the length of the broken yellow...go for it)

There really is no mystery about what the various yellows mean.

[YellowDog]

A broken yellow simply means a solid yellow is being approached. If you are already overtaking, you have the length of the broken to get back on your correct side. (of course, if you have a quick bike, and you can start/complete your passing manouevre in the length of the broken yellow...go for it)

There really is no mystery about what the various yellows mean.

Quote from UK Highway code: "Double centre lines where the line nearest to you is broken. This means you may cross the lines to overtake if it is safe, provided you can complete the manoeuvre before reaching a solid line on your side."

I was assuming the rules would be the same for most countries (except for the colour of the lines).

[MSTRS:Me]

Isn't that what I just said?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Good on him... still looking from where that scooter came from, and I got good eyesight! hmmmm



Scooter... I think though if your in a bullet like a car, no matter what idiotic things bikers do, you should have defensive driving up your sleeve, can't change other people but we can change ourselves. (that car could have avoided the scooter surely).

Yes - I wondered about that - when I first saw the clip I was under the impression there was no bike infront of the car ...



NO! The car did not have to pull out - merely slow down. Yes, the scooter Rider did pull out, but there are no signs of any brake lights on the car or the bikes. You can clearly see the rear bike brake lights come on as the car pulls across the centre line and the rider anticipates trouble (well done) ..

However, the car should never never never have crossed the centre line ... the car was in no danger of running into the scooter - and never braked, just slowed a little then accelerated into a dangerous pass ...

I'm sure double yellow lines still mean the same thing in other countries.
The cause of the accident is the (impatient) person failing to keep right.

people I was using irony here!
Based on the fact Katman appears to blame the motorcyclist in the first instance in motorcycle accidents.
Quite clearly the car crossing the centre line is at fault.
However had it been a motorcyclist that had crossed the centre line in steve's view would have been to blame for not anticipating the scooter pulling out. You just have to try and figure how his mind works that's all, as yout were.

[paturoa]

I've watched it a couple of dozen times and the cager was actually starting to turn even further left to go around the corner!

Also the biker looks to missing the apex / already be hard on the picks before front wheel lock and looses the front.

A few years back I changed from riding in the right hand wheel track to the left hand wheel track for exactly this scenario. So I've been asking myself could I have avoided if I was the rider and how I ride????

Maybe, but probably not with my reaction times. It happened pretty quick.

[YellowDog]

Aviodable with hindsight and on the action replay!

As you say, the cornering line gave him very little margin to adjust.

Could have been much worse.

[fuknKIWI]

I might have known...

# This should inspire some pointless drivel.
http://bikerpunks.com/mediaviewer/29...o-crashes.html

[R-Soul]

You are not allowed to cross a double centre line.

This is the case in all countries, without exception

When a scooter pulls out abruptly in front of you, you might be allowed to swerve to prevent hitting it. But then you should brake and get back into your lane, not carry on in the opposite lane, and try to overtake scooter ina blind corner.


The scooter was a numpty, and deserved to get shunted off their bike. The car was a complete twat though and deserves a jail sentence for that kind of driving.

[PrincessBandit]

The scooter was a numpty, and deserved to get shunted off their bike. The car was a complete twat though and deserves a jail sentence for that kind of driving.

Agreed. The only rationale I can imagine for what the driver did is perhaps they were inexperienced and the pulling out into the wrong lane was an act of panic. Not justifying it at all, but a greenhorn behind the wheel might well react very badly to that situation (to the detriment of other motorists in the vicinity).

[Max Preload]

Agreed. The only rationale I can imagine for what the driver did is perhaps they were inexperienced and the pulling out into the wrong lane was an act of panic. Not justifying it at all, but a greenhorn behind the wheel might well react very badly to that situation (to the detriment of other motorists in the vicinity).

Don't think so. I carjammed it and it's had such unbelievably steady but low odometer reading increases between WoFs it's almost certain to just be some doddery old goat who just isn't self-aware enough to know it's well past time to pack it in.

[PrincessBandit]

Don't think so. I carjammed it and it's had such unbelievably steady but low odometer reading increases between WoFs it's almost certain to just be some doddery old goat who just isn't self-aware enough to know it's well past time to pack it in.

Fair enough - I was only putting it forward as a possible scenario which might explain the actions of the driver. I don't have the computer nouse of such clever folk as yourself in order to investigate - I accept your explanation that my suggestion, in this case, is highly unlikely.

[Katman]

Don't think so. I carjammed it and it's had such unbelievably steady but low odometer reading increases between WoFs it's almost certain to just be some doddery old goat who just isn't self-aware enough to know it's well past time to pack it in.

Methinks you're in the wrong thread there Max.

[monkeymcbean]

I think unfortunately this accident, choosing to ride a motorbike as your form of transport/pleasure you have to accept that this could happen to you.
I think it is out of ones control on how people will drive and the decisions they make at the time stupid or not, there can be so many 'numpties' out there.