Old doddery couple or give way rule.

[javawocky]

There has been some debate around the office this morning regarding a video I shared of an old couple pulling out in front of me. I thought it was just old age setting in, but some, who lives around those parts said they had right of way.

What do you think?




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[MSTRS:Me]

The red car has right of way?
FUCK - NO !!!

[Camshaft]

another 5 star example of driving in nz

[superman]

GOD NO! You were moving on the road, they were pulling onto the road from stationary. Thereby your right of way.

Anyone at your work who says otherwise go and tell them to resit their bloody license if they'd do that sort of thing!!!!

Giveway in that situation is so logical it's insane people would think that the red car had right of way!

[Tunahunter]

I sure that you had the right of way but seeing that the red car signalled his/her intentions, and there was a reasonable gap to your vehicle; common courtesy would have you letting them in without standing on the horn - I'm sure that you did that eh?

[javawocky]

I sure that you had the right of way but seeing that the red car signalled his/her intentions, and there was a reasonable gap to your vehicle; common courtesy would have you letting them in without standing on the horn - I'm sure that you did that eh?

I stood on the pegs does that count?

[MSTRS:Me]

I sure that you had the right of way but seeing that the red car signalled his/her intentions, and there was a reasonable gap to your vehicle; common courtesy would have you letting them in without standing on the horn - I'm sure that you did that eh?

Would they have tried it on if our OP was in a truck?

[sil3nt]

Of course they had to give way but they did pull in to a reasonably sized gap and you had plenty of time to change your speed.

I generally don't mind if people pull out like this car has done but what fucks me off is when they don't accelerate after pulling out and just dawdle down the road at 30.

[Banditbandit]

The red car has right of way?
FUCK - NO !!!

What he said ...

I sure that you had the right of way but seeing that the red car signalled his/her intentions, and there was a reasonable gap to your vehicle; common courtesy would have you letting them in without standing on the horn - I'm sure that you did that eh?

I disagree ... the gap was not "reasonable" the bike was way too close when the car moved ... the bike is at the end of the white line from the intersection when the car moves ... that's really close ... the driver was chancing it on the assumption that the rider would not want to hit the car and would brake ...

Would they have tried it on if our OP was in a truck?

EXACTLY !!!

[MSTRS:Me]

The amount of room required before pulling out in a give way situation may be subjective.
Rule of thumb is that if the vehicle being pulled out in front of has to brake, then there wasn't enough room. That is assuming said braker wasn't speeding...

[Latte]

What he said ...



I disagree ... the gap was not "reasonable" the bike was way too close when the car moved ... the driver was chancing it on the assumption that the rider would not want to hit the car and would brake ...

+1 - And if there was an accident, all chances are the rider would end up with "Failure to stop short" from the police.

[bogan]

fuck no!, and they gave way to the suv in front of you. And please educate your co-workers, idiots who don't know such basic road rules are accidents waiting to happen.

[oldrider]

I disagree ... the gap was not "reasonable" the bike was way too close when the car moved ... the bike is at the end of the white line from the intersection when the car moves ... that's really close ... the driver was chancing it on the assumption that the rider would not want to hit the car and would brake ...

On the evidence that's the way I see it too! (happens all the time)

All the more reason for us (motorcyclists) to practice defensive driving "all" the time!

The general "attitude" is that we are not "legitimate and legal" road users and that the general public will side with them when it all goes to shit!

It is that "attitude" that "we" have to focus on changing!

The public perception is the public reality and they will not change it on their own, we will have to do it for them!

So called people in positions of authority share the public perception and until that changes motorcyclists will never be regarded as serious, legitimate road users!

Example: Nick Smith and his ACC cronies!

[Timmeh:P]

Have had this happen to me a number of times at this exact junction.

They DO NOT have right of way!!!!

People pulling out of The Avenue are always impatient!!

[DEATH_INC.]

I'd like to see a law enforcement officers opinion on this.....to me, it looks like they are 'merging', they aren't crossing a line of any sort, and there's no give way or stop sign..... I'd say technically they had the right of way.
But then I could be wrong.....there's always a first time