Police say had the rider been wearing...

[Grantman_]

I think the most basic fact of life is that we're all going to die one day.

Doesn't mean that we shouldn't look towards ways of prolonging our life in the meantime though.

Absolutely.

[rwh]

As has already been said a few posts up, for every video of a motorcycle accident where there is seemingly nothing that could be done to avoid it I could show you 1000 where there is plenty of things that could easily have changed the outcome.

To post up two videos saying "See, see, see..........." smacks of desperation.

I don't think anybody disagrees that there are many cases that an accident could be avoided. The argument (mostly promoted by you) that was being disputed was that every accident could be avoided. But rather than argue that, you chose to ignore most of the post and argue the obvious exaggeration, which is completely pointless.

Richard

[Katman]

The argument (mostly promoted by you) that was being disputed was that every accident could be avoided.

But I've not actually said that, have I?

Comprehension is sorely lacking on this site.

[rwh]

But I've not actually said that, have I?

That's quite possible, though it's an impression that comes through quite strongly, given that you respond with something like that to almost every crash report.

Comprehension is sorely lacking on this site.

Along with clarity of expression, yes.

Richard

[rwh]

But I've not actually said that, have I?

Also, by the way, that's nothing to do with the point I was making either.

Richard

[Katman]

That's quite possible, though it's an impression that comes through quite strongly, given that you respond with something like that to almost every crash report.

That's because with "almost every crash report" there most certainly is something that could have been done to avoid it.

Are you starting to understand the difference between 'every' and 'almost every'?

(And even the accidents that there doesn't appear to be anything that could have altered it, it certainly does no harm to examine the possibility that something might have been done).

[tri boy]

Hasn't anyone kicked cockman off his soap box yet?
(Like a frecking dunny budgie buzzing about while you take a dump)

[rwh]

That's because with "almost every crash report" there most certainly is something that could have been done to avoid it.

Are you starting to understand the difference between 'every' and 'almost every'?

Yep, got that quite well, thanks.

(And even the accidents that there doesn't appear to be anything that could have altered it, it certainly does no harm to examine the possibility that something might have been done).

I guess it's when you 'examine' that possiblity in the cases where most consider it unlikely, or there are simply too few facts known to have any idea, that the impression is formed that you think it's 'every'.

The main problem, though, is that by 'examining the possibility' in every case, you disrespect the rider, who in circumstances you can never be fully aware of (even if they tell you what they can), failed to avoid an accident.

Who knows what could have gone wrong in the heat of an accident. Moving objects create a distraction, which is good because that may well be what lets you know that front wheel is turning - but if a pedestrian hesitates on the other side of the road a moment earlier, that needs processing too, and the turning wheel could easily be missed.

Richard

[Katman]

The main problem, though, is that by 'examining the possibility' in every case, you disrespect the rider, who in circumstances you can never be fully aware of (even if they tell you what they can), failed to avoid an accident.

I am of the exact opposite belief.

I believe that not examing all possibilities to learn from an accident is showing disrespect to the rider - particularly in the case of a fatal accident where the only thing that rider has left to offer us is the possibility of a lesson to be learned.

[Ocean1]

I am of the exact opposite belief.

That's 'cause you're a fuckwit.

[MSTRS:Me]

So - it's back to The World vs Katman, eh?

Seems to me that The World has a problem with hearing inconvenient and uncomfortable truths...
Haven't you lot worked out that Katman is the epitome of a Realist?
And Steve? Wouldn't you do well to acknowledge, publicly, that just sometimes nothing could be done to alter an outcome?

[t595]

That's 'cause you're a fuckwit.

x 2! maybe someone should do a u-turn infront of him and see if hes as fuckin great as he tells us he is, i've never read so much shit in all my life

[avgas]

To drag this back on topic.

Who hear believes what the police says yet? because that was why everyone wanted a tissue in the first place.

[Drew]

To drag this back on topic.

Who hear believes what the police says yet? because that was why everyone wanted a tissue in the first place.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha, nearly six hundred posts in this thread and prolly less than 50 of those seem to be understanding of what it was about.

[MSTRS:Me]

That's about right...slightly under 10% of posts in any thread will be on topic...