Police say had the rider been wearing...

**Drew** · 6th February 2011, 19:08

Originally Posted by scumdog

No it fucking won't.

Headlights are almost invisible when viewed from an angle, hence why my bike and normajeames bike have extra spot-lights with a wide spread.

They show up waay better than just a headlight - and they have saved me more than once.

The hi-vis vest was a 'maybe' comment, NOT a statement of fact. "Maybe IF he had been wearing a hi-vis vest he MAY have ben seen"

But then again, this IS a site where straws are clutched at, myths are believed and anything said is fact....

What fuckin angle? The accident happened on a straight friggin road! So as the truck veered left to make the turn the headlight of the bike would have been pointing STRAIGHT at it.

I can see how the bike wasn't seen to begin with, unless he was riding right on the white line, but for the truck driver to fail to properly look when beginning his U-turn is the root cause of the incident to my eyes.

I am however an advocate of seeing the facts before passing judgement, (like fact, Katman is a cock. I've seen it and make the judgement), and as a police officer I should think your stance would be one of no comment rather than further speculation with a complete lack there of.

What am I going to do, nothing at all. I'll keep riding illegally regularly and watching out for number one, cos it seems that no matter what I do it wont be enough to avoid blame, I might as well have fun.

**awa355** · 6th February 2011, 19:16

Originally Posted by Thaeos

I agree with the rest of it but:

Just isn't true..

Have to agree with 'Thaeos', Did a Petes Postie run a few years back. The Hi Viz jacket stands out a lot more than a headlight. Just watch a line of riders going past, the one with a vest will stand out from all the headlights.

Having said that, if a driver doesn't look, he aint ever going to see anything. If the motorcyclist had a flashing strobe light on a pole above the bike, would the truckie have seen that?? Not if he didn't turn his head and LOOK.

**caseye** · 6th February 2011, 19:16

If Only!
Sigh, if only we could see/read the comments made, before we comment here, but hey it's KB right?
So here I go.
We are told we're a high risk group,"thats why we're charging you more" We have to beg for rider training, edcucation and resources.
Our fellow road users are KNOWN to cause the deaths of at least half of the reported motorcycle accidents, on or off road.FACT Undisputed by Nicks Myth!

They ( our fellow road users) are not in anyway educated to look for anything other than a bloody BIG TRUCK, that after all, is all that they are going to stop for, as a matter of self preservation.

I would like to know when the attending Police Officer/pseudo police officer journalist became the spokesman for the NZ Police at the scene or immediately after it and was given carte blanche to say whatever the FUCK THEY LIKE about one of those involved in an accident where some poor unfortunate was killed.
What happened to simply confining any on scene/immediately after interviews being confined to "THE FACTS".
Our Police wonder wy they get a bad rep, when they do this sort of stupid Shit.

Hi Viz to be worn by DECREE? As usual without consultation, or cooberative research, of course it will be.
mom, I hope that your press release gets to go on the Telly too.

**Foxzee** · 6th February 2011, 19:17

Originally Posted by Katman

Perhaps instead of pissing your panties

We don't have to now we are wearing "hi vis"...like a new tampon we are invisable with a super leak guard!

**Max Preload** · 6th February 2011, 19:18

Originally Posted by Mom

Press Release 8pm Sunday 6th February 2011 ...
How can any comment regarding the cause of a road death be made in such a bald way by our countries Police Force before the SCU have even had time to begin investigating the cause of the crash?

Please tell me that wasn't a copy/paste...

**Mom** · 6th February 2011, 19:21

Originally Posted by Max Preload

Please tell me that wasn't a copy/paste...

Why?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bald

Definition 3

**Smifffy** · 6th February 2011, 19:22

I was nearly taken out by an angry truck driver myself a few weeks back.

We were in a longish line of traffic. I had been behind him for a while, I moved into the centre of his rear view mirror, indicated, and pulled out to pass.

As I was alongside his rear trailer, and the spidey went off big time, and I bailed backwards as he swung out into my lane to overtake the cars in the line. It was a bit too close for comfort, and as I was back in my original spot I watched as he just pulled back into the line of traffic, cutting off the few cars between me and he.

Then he pulled out and repeated his stunt, while I stayed well back.

That truck driver was a very angry man, and an unmitigated cunt.

**Katman** · 6th February 2011, 19:24

Originally Posted by caseye

Our fellow road users are KNOWN to cause the deaths of at least half of the reported motorcycle accidents, on or off road.FACT Undisputed by Nicks Myth!

We're going to have to get our facts straight or we'll be destined to be forever seen as a laughing stock.

About 75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are the fault of the motorcyclist or the motorcyclist carries the primary responsibility.

Your post conveniently ignores the deaths and accidents that are single vehicle accidents.

**Ocean1** · 6th February 2011, 19:24

Originally Posted by Thaeos

I agree with the rest of it but:

Just isn't true..

Originally Posted by Max Preload

Please tell me that wasn't a copy/paste...

You're correct. But a headlight will be far brighter than any reflected light from a vest to those in front of the bike, and your brain reacts far more to contrast than colour.

In fact some research demonstrated that the most visible colour in a suburban setting during daylight is.... Black.

**jrandom** · 6th February 2011, 19:25

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

You'd both better have incredible peripheral vision, although I will introduce myself first.

**scumdog** · 6th February 2011, 19:25

Originally Posted by Drew

What fuckin angle? The accident happened on a straight friggin road! So as the truck veered left to make the turn the headlight of the bike would have been pointing STRAIGHT at it.

I am however an advocate of seeing the facts before passing judgement,

(a) My comment was a general one, not necessarily aimed at this particular incident. So there.

(b) It's ferkin' KB, when has 'sticking to know facts' ever been a requirement to posting here???

(c) Man, some on here over-react to any incident that doesn't paint a perfect picture when it comes to motorcycling.....this is a general comment, don't feel targetted.

**Kiwi Graham:Me** · 6th February 2011, 19:25

Originally Posted by Katman

Nice effort at twisting the story Jimmy.

Originally Posted by Katman

I don't need a hi-viz.

I ride with my eyes open.

Originally Posted by Katman

Vehicles don't pull u-turns without giving some clues as to their intention.

Un-fuking believable.
Again you blame the motorcyclist!!!
Without a shred of doubt you are a complete fucking cock Steve

**Berg** · 6th February 2011, 19:26

Originally Posted by Smifffy

I was nearly taken out by an angry truck driver myself a few weeks back.

We were in a longish line of traffic. I had been behind him for a while, I moved into the centre of his rear view mirror, indicated, and pulled out to pass.

As I was alongside his rear trailer, and the spidey went off big time, and I bailed backwards as he swung out into my lane to overtake the cars in the line. It was a bit too close for comfort, and as I was back in my original spot I watched as he just pulled back into the line of traffic, cutting off the few cars between me and he.

Then he pulled out and repeated his stunt, while I stayed well back.

That truck driver was a very angry man, and an unmitigated cunt.

Always ring the company and complain when this sort of thing happens. Owners tend to take a dim view of their expensive toys being used badly. Also it is the companies name written all over the door when these acts happen. Companies don't like the bad attention.

**yachtie10** · 6th February 2011, 19:27

Originally Posted by Katman

We're going to have to get our facts straight or we'll be destined to be forever seen as a laughing stock.

About 75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are the fault of the motorcyclist or the motorcyclist carries the primary responsibility.

Your post conveniently ignores the deaths and accidents that are single vehicle accidents.

why? you choose which ones you use to suit your argument

The thread is about the police/media are out of line by implying some of the blame on the motorcyclist