Police say had the rider been wearing...

**Katman** · 6th February 2011, 19:29

Originally Posted by Kiwi Graham

Un-fuking believable.
Again you blame the motorcyclist!!!
Without a shred of doubt you are a complete fucking cock Steve

I haven't blamed anyone.

**Smifffy** · 6th February 2011, 19:33

Originally Posted by Berg

Always ring the company and complain when this sort of thing happens. Owners tend to take a dim view of their expensive toys being used badly. Also it is the companies name written all over the door when these acts happen. Companies don't like the bad attention.

To be honest I wanted to, but I never saw it. As I said I bailed from beside the rear trailer. I did eventually get past him, but I was too busy watching out for more of his antics, which there were, than to be reading the small blue writing on the door of his truck. Once past I kept out of his way.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was an owner/driver. He was a gravel/fert hauler or something, and was empty. I think he was probably in a hurry to get back to the depot.

**98tls** · 6th February 2011, 19:34

Originally Posted by Smifffy

The MSL could send out a free Hi-vis vest with every rego paid for. That should improve road safety, and maybe more bikers will live.

Of course, they won't want to send out more than one vest to owners of multiple bikes, since they can only wear one vest at a time....

Will have mine in black ta.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 6th February 2011, 19:38

Originally Posted by Katman

I haven't blamed anyone.

See here you spinless fucking FAGGOT (you won't mind such language, seeing as you've called me a "whiney homo" here on KB), you've stated that a 'u' turn is always see-able!!?? That to me is very much the same as saying the poor DEAD fucking motorcyclist is partly to blame seeing as his/her skills are obviously nowhere near as good as yours.

You really do suck arse.

**tri boy** · 6th February 2011, 19:39

Originally Posted by scumdog

KB rant bus in full swing, wooo-hooo!

The dork coppa who added the vis wearing comment started this rant.
Do you agree that he was out of line or not? Simple question.
Care to take it on?

**PrincessBandit** · 6th February 2011, 19:45

Originally Posted by Smifffy

The reason the driver did not see the motorcyclist is a simple one. He did not look for a motorcycle.

The motorcycle was there to be seen.

I said in harold (at the meeting outside the museum just before the Bikeoi) that advertising pushes attentiveness at intersections etc. but there is nothing to educate road users to look out for riders. Nothing has changed in that respect.

Originally Posted by steve_t

I'd rather they make u-turns illegal before forcing us to wear hi-vis vests. I'd put my money on it being far more effective

Like any other road rule (such as speed limits, give way rules etc.) it would still be ignored by heaps of motorists.

Originally Posted by Smifffy

The MSL could send out a free Hi-vis vest with every rego paid for. That should improve road safety, and maybe more bikers will live.

Got given a hi-vis after completing my BHS course by the instructor. Wore it almost all the time initially, but tend now to only wear it in bad weather/visibility as an extra precaution to riding defensively. So although I own one, I don't wear it all the time.

**scumdog** · 6th February 2011, 19:45

Originally Posted by tri boy

The dork coppa who added the vis wearing comment started this rant.
Do you agree that he was out of line or not? Simple question.
Care to take it on?

No wonder we don't want to say anything - a casual comment is taken as gospel and it's all-aboard the rant bus....

No, his casual comment was not out of line, possibly he wasn't motorcycle savvy, who knows?

And had the poor bugger been wearing a vest he MAY have just been seen is all I got out of the comment..nothing more

Maybe all you lot are more astute than me???

Some here are too precious...is a more likely explanation.....

**Drew** · 6th February 2011, 19:45

Originally Posted by scumdog

(a) My comment was a general one, not necessarily aimed at this particular incident. So there.

Given the heat of the thread, not your best move then.

Originally Posted by scumdog

(b) It's ferkin' KB, when has 'sticking to know facts' ever been a requirement to posting here???

It hasn't, I was just saying I would much rather know than not, but generally fly off the handle anyway. In this case though I am angry and justified, feels a bit foreign to be honest.

Originally Posted by scumdog

(c) Man, some on here over-react to any incident that doesn't paint a perfect picture when it comes to motorcycling.....this is a general comment, don't feel targetted.

I don't feel targeted, what was said on the news targeted the motorcyclist! That is what angers me.

Don't make me hungry, you wouldn't like me when I'm hungry!

**Grahameeboy** · 6th February 2011, 19:47

Originally Posted by Katman

Vehicles don't pull u-turns without giving some clues as to their intention.

Not in NZ and if they do it's a last minute thing and you would not expect a lorry to do a uturn and the driver still has to give way

**Mom** · 6th February 2011, 19:52

Press Release 8pm Sunday 6th February 2011

From: Motorcycle Action Group of NZ (MAG-NZ)

To: All

MAG-NZ are outraged that the NZ Police can issue a statement saying that had a motorcyclist killed today when a truck U-turned into his path, been wearing a Hi-Viz vest the truck driver may have seen him. The complete disregard for the family that has just lost a loved one is outrageous and the speculative comment about the lack of an item of clothing being the cause of his demise is nothing short of disgraceful.

How can any comment regarding the cause of a road death be made in such a bald way by our countries Police Force before the SCU have even had time to begin investigating the cause of the crash?

Motorcyclists are required by law to have headlights on at all times. Having a bright source of illumination in front of reflective clothing prevents the reflective clothing from reflecting light. If you miss seeing a bright headlight you are hardly likely to see a Hi-Viz vest.

RIP to the rider and condolences to his family and friends from MAG-NZ.

Ends

Anne James
President
MAG-NZ

**Grahameeboy** · 6th February 2011, 19:53

Originally Posted by scumdog

No wonder we don't want to say anything - a casual comment is taken as gospel and it's all-aboard the rant bus....

No, his casual comment was not out of line, possibly he wasn't motorcycle savvy, who knows?

And had the poor bugger been wearing a vest he MAY have just been seen is all I got out of the comment..nothing more

Maybe all you lot are more astute than me???

Some here are too precious...is a more likely explanation.....

You have a point SD......however, I ride a red bike, red jacket.....twin headlights and led running lights and still seem invisible....whether I wear a yellow vest it is debatable whether I would have better experiences but you never know...I thought wearing my glow underwear over my pants would help!!!!....I think the cop's comment was a bit unfortunate but in a way he had a point but just messed up in the way he said it

**Smifffy** · 6th February 2011, 19:53

A lot of trucks, you can't see their front wheels from behind, they have a bunch of other wheels, big boxy bits, and often a lot of those big gay mudflaps that look like they have been cut from industrial conveyor belt with chromed silhouettes of busty females on them.

Some of them also have any manner of ground effect kits that seem to have as their sole purpose the generation of maximum sidewash for the benefit of motorcyclists in the adjacent lane.

**Grahameeboy** · 6th February 2011, 19:54

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

I said in harold (at the meeting outside the museum just before the Bikeoi) that advertising pushes attentiveness at intersections etc. but there is nothing to educate road users to look out for riders. Nothing has changed in that respect.

Like any other road rule (such as speed limits, give way rules etc.) it would still be ignored by heaps of motorists.

Got given a hi-vis after completing my BHS course by the instructor. Wore it almost all the time initially, but tend now to only wear it in bad weather/visibility as an extra precaution to riding defensively. So although I own one, I don't wear it all the time.

To be honest all road users should be educated to look for ALL road users...yes a bike is slim but geeze they are not invisible...

**scumdog** · 6th February 2011, 19:56

If people can't see a big-arsed railway locomotive with a big-arsed headlight (or two) and on a fixed track how the hell are we motorcyclists ever going to be seen consistantly????