Police say had the rider been wearing...

[That looks like fun]

This thread was started not as an opportunity to pick to bits other riders ( one in particular who unfortunately cant defend himself). It was about an alleged statement made by a Police Officer about whether or not a Hi Viz vest would have saved said Bikers life. Now I know this is KB and the Internet and all that but every thread seems to end up a Non Constructive Bitch fest with the same old tired arguments and word games

Regardless of whether a message is good bad or just stupid, delivery is more often than not what carries the idea.
If an advertising agent wanted to give every New Zealander a gold bar and proceeded to sell them his giveaway by telling them all of his beliefs about their shortcomings (with a potty mouth as well ), Most people would listen because they want that Gold Bar
However day after day everywhere they turn potty mouth is preaching at them from his self made pedestal, some will still hang out and wait for the gold bar, others will walk away.
So potty mouth stands up taller, swears more and demands they listen!!! Even if he is right about what he is saying, as the man on the TV says, "I walk away"

Point is it don't matter what your message is and how good it is, if you want people to listen don't become a part of the problem.

[FJRider]

Then you're aprehension is incorrect. Check a dictionary.

Funny how ... "It wasn't my fault ... it was an accident" gets heard in court ...TOO OFTEN ... by ALL parties involved ...

"Accident" is often thought to be "with no blame" by some ... Not intentional does not mean without fault as some like to insist ...

[Katman]

(with a potty mouth as well )

Did you stumble upon Kiwibiker while googling Kiwiknitter?

[That looks like fun]

Why resort to insults and swearing? The person who yells loudest and last is not always the winner

[Ocean1]

"Accident" is often thought to be "with no blame" by some ... Not intentional does not mean without fault as some like to insist ...

Don't recal having heard anyone use "accident" in the sense of "blameless" before. At least nobody over 7 years old.

Perhaps you've been hearing it from the basis of your misinterpretation of the words meaning.

[Katman]

Why resort to insults and swearing?

Have you read this thread through?

[MarkH]

Funny how ... "It wasn't my fault ... it was an accident" gets heard in court ...TOO OFTEN ... by ALL parties involved ...

"Accident" is often thought to be "with no blame" by some ... Not intentional does not mean without fault as some like to insist ...

Damn straight!

True:
Accident = not deliberate

False:
Accident = no one at fault

In court accident can mean not guilty of murder, but guilty of manslaughter. A person can go to prison for several years for accidentally killing another person, it isn't as bad as for deliberately killing another person but it is still a criminal conviction and a few years out of society.

[That looks like fun]

Have you read this thread through?

Yes,

[FJRider]

I thought I'd been rather restrained compared to the 'We Hate Katman' club.

Free membership of any club has it's downsides ... at least when anybody mentions your name ... they don't say WHO ???

[That looks like fun]

I agree that as far as swearing etc your not the only one doing it. That however was not the purpose of my post.
A great many have remarked that your message of rider responsibilty has legs. Read back over my post and see if you can fathom why anger and hostility seems to surround many of your statements.

Hell if all else fails just carry one. End of the day I dont give a fuck



Off to wash my mouth out now

[Crasherfromwayback]

Phew!
Apart from the other points, now I understand you choice of alias.

Hahaha...good. Funny thing is...I didn't really crash that often racing anyway. It's simply (as it often is) how others preceive you.

[riffer]

Don't recal having heard anyone use "accident" in the sense of "blameless" before. At least nobody over 7 years old.

Perhaps you've been hearing it from the basis of your misinterpretation of the words meaning.

I think not as well. Allow me to quote a dictionary:

accident

- 5 dictionary results

ac·ci·dent

–noun

1. an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents.
2. Law . such a happening resulting in injury that is in no way the fault of the injured person for which compensation or indemnity is legally sought.
3. any event that happens unexpectedly, without a deliberate plan or cause.
4. chance; fortune; luck: I was there by accident.
5. a fortuitous circumstance, quality, or characteristic: an accident of birth.
6. Philosophy. any entity or event contingent upon the existence of something else.
7. Geology . a surface irregularity, usually on a small scale, the reason for which is not apparent.

I think no 2 comes to mind the most here, and no 1 as well.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Have you read this thread through?

I have. I remember your post that asked "How old are you guys?"

Then I see after my post you gave me red rep and said with it "You lose".

Hypocrites are people I hate the most. You really do think you're so clever. So much better...than the rest of us. But you've obviously never come across a situation that leads to a serious accident you can't possibly avoid, because if you had, like the rest of the unlucky ones that have...you'd get off your higher than heaven soapbox and shut the fuck up about shit you've never had to experience. That is what makes YOU a loser. Not me.

[Reckless]

oh Guess what a typical Katman thread!!
Guess what its become about "Katman"
How strange just like every other Katman thread??
I wonder who it is that likes it this way! oh guess who Katman!

Let me predict the pattern:
post something, you get a one liner
Post another response, you get a nasty gibe
Keep it up, you get abusive innuendo or straight out "your a ?????"
Then comes the red rep!

Its a game! I'm starting to think he really doesn't give a shit about the "message" its just a vehicle....??


Fun to watch, fun to play, fun to wind up sometimes to!!
Ignore you say? na this is KB at its best!! (or worst??)

OH shit now I'm wasting my time posting as well! LOL!!!
Haha its Hard not to be a player aye!!!

Carry on all!!

[Katman]

Hypocrites are people I hate the most. You really do think you're so clever. So much better...than the rest of us. But you've obviously never come across a situation that leads to a serious accident you can't possibly avoid, because if you had, like the rest of the unlucky ones that have...you'd get off your higher than heaven soapbox and shut the fuck up about shit you've never had to experience. That is what makes YOU a loser. Not me.

Listen fuckhead - I've experienced motorcycling that would have you pissing your panties too scared to get out of bed.

I've had countless accidents in the distant past - all of which were avoidable through better management on my part.

I don't think I'm clever - I think I'm lucky enough to be able to speak out through experience and hopefully save some lives.