Police say had the rider been wearing...

**Deano** · 12th February 2011, 07:35

Originally Posted by FJRider

HE was there ....were YOU ... ???

It doesn't matter in this context.

**swbarnett** · 12th February 2011, 07:37

Originally Posted by scumdog

I live in the real wold where I had to scrub brain material from the sole of my boots.

Everybody's world is different. My world does not involve scrubbing brain material from the sole of my boots. I have never witnessed a major accident or the aftermath thereof. This does not make my world any less "real". I would hazard a guess that my world is more representative of that of the general populace than yours. This does not make your world any less real either. However, it does mean that your view of the frequency of carnage on our roads is somewhat scewed.

The roads are not as dangerous as TPTB would have us believe. Yes, they must be treated with respect or they'll bite but the odds of the average driver/rider coming to grief are still pretty low.

**swbarnett** · 12th February 2011, 07:48

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]I would love to hear how Katman as the rider in the Accidents above would have avoided getting hit

First of all I'm not Katman but I do agree with a lot (but not all) he says (if only he could deliver it better).

In the first one the corner is blind so I would've cornered a little slower and had enough control left over to pull right and go between the car and the edge of the road. My wife has done exactly this coming home from Hamilton to Auckland.

As for the second, there appears to be sufficient room to the left and enough time with quick reactions to leave the road and avoid the collision. And if you can't get the bike off the road then dump the bike and run. Again I know of this happening. A colleuge in Wellington had to dump their bike while waiting at the lights as a truck cut the corner right through them. Both rider and pillion got off without a scratch - the bike was totalled.

**riffer** · 12th February 2011, 07:59

Agreed. And for every video that Grantman could link to, there would be 1000 incidents where the motorcyclist COULD have done something which would have mitigated the extent of the damage.

Exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis

**oldrider** · 12th February 2011, 08:35

Originally Posted by swbarnett

First of all I'm not Katman but I do agree with a lot (but not all) he says (if only he could deliver it better).

In the first one the corner is blind so I would've cornered a little slower and had enough control left over to pull right and go between the car and the edge of the road. My wife has done exactly this coming home from Hamilton to Auckland.

As for the second, there appears to be sufficient room to the left and enough time with quick reactions to leave the road and avoid the collision. And if you can't get the bike off the road then dump the bike and run. Again I know of this happening. A colleuge in Wellington had to dump their bike while waiting at the lights as a truck cut the corner right through them. Both rider and pillion got off without a scratch - the bike was totalled.

Passive roads are not dangerous but the idiots who frequent them "are"!

I like being alive and as close to original condition as can keep myself.

Therefore I pay more attention to the idiots than I do the road!

I always try to entertain an escape plan B in my conciousness when riding or driving!

IMHO motorcycling is a solitary experience and I prefer riding on my own or with as small a group as possible!

I am not antisocial either I only dance with one partner at a time too, in order to maximise the experience.

**Elysium** · 12th February 2011, 09:17

Originally Posted by oldrider

Therefore I pay more attention to the idiots than I do the road!

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You should be watching both equally. The road is just as dangerous as the idiots who ride/drive them.

Anyway everybody just remember that this isn't a "perfect world" and "Shit happens"

**FJRider** · 12th February 2011, 09:37

Originally Posted by Elysium

You should be watching both equally. The road is just as dangerous as the idiots who ride/drive them.

Anyway everybody just remember that this isn't a "perfect world" and "Shit happens"

I've found it easier and less mind numbing ... just worrying about the 100 metres of roadway (and ALL vehicles in it) directly in front of me ...

Thinking what the worst possible actions, of those other road users, could do ... keeps you amused ... and alert ... when they sometimes do ...

**swbarnett** · 12th February 2011, 10:13

Originally Posted by oldrider

Passive roads are not dangerous but the idiots who frequent them "are"!

In a statistical sense those idiots aren't that dangerous either. It's just that life today is so safe they appear to be dangerous in comparison.

Originally Posted by oldrider

I like being alive and as close to original condition as can keep myself.

Therefore I pay more attention to the idiots than I do the road!

I always try to entertain an escape plan B in my conciousness when riding or driving!

Totally agree.

Originally Posted by oldrider

IMHO motorcycling is a solitary experience and I prefer riding on my own or with as small a group as possible!

I am not antisocial either I only dance with one partner at a time too, in order to maximise the experience.

I haven't been on many group rides but I didn't enjoy the ones I have done as much as solo riding. Usually it's either just me and sometimes my wife joins me on her bike.

**scumdog** · 12th February 2011, 17:10

Originally Posted by scumdog

I don't fucken care 'cos I live in the real wold where I had to scrub brain material from the sole of my boots.

but I bet effwit losers never thought of that....just cos they live in a sanitised KB world...and have all the right answers...and I don't need alcamahol.....

Sorry guys, venting a bit.

Had a kinda rough week....

**yachtie10** · 12th February 2011, 17:13

Originally Posted by scumdog

Sorry guys, venting a bit.

Had a kinda rough week....

Have to aplaud this pity Katman cant do the same

**RiderInBlack** · 12th February 2011, 17:28

Originally Posted by swbarnett

First of all I'm not Katman but I do agree with a lot (but not all) he says (if only he could deliver it better).

In the first one the corner is blind so I would've cornered a little slower and had enough control left over to pull right and go between the car and the edge of the road. My wife has done exactly this coming home from Hamilton to Auckland.

As for the second, there appears to be sufficient room to the left and enough time with quick reactions to leave the road and avoid the collision. And if you can't get the bike off the road then dump the bike and run. Again I know of this happening. A colleuge in Wellington had to dump their bike while waiting at the lights as a truck cut the corner right through them. Both rider and pillion got off without a scratch - the bike was totalled.

In retrospect having looked at the videos, you may think you could or would have done as you suggested in those two cases, BUT (I am dam sure of this) in the real world I would expect you would be very lucky to have done so in place of those riders. I would expect in the real world you would be lucky to end up in Hospital and not the Morgue. I would also hope that it that case that you as a rider was not blamed for being hit in those accidents. I live in the real World. I've seen stupid stuff happen to careful people and stupid people get away with the unbelievable. When comes to accidents, it's all over before ya can think of the best way to deal with it. Luck escapes & near miss happen way too many times, that some people think that those that do get hit are to blame regardless, instead of accepting that they have been luck that it didn't happen to them..

**Katman** · 12th February 2011, 17:45

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

When comes to accidents, it's all over before ya can think of the best way to deal with it.

Too many people accept accidents as things they can't avoid.

The reality is that better use of the brain can preclude a huge number of accidents while better motorcycling skills can preclude the same number again.

Those who meekly concede that "accidents happen" are not trying hard enough.

**FJRider** · 12th February 2011, 17:52

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

Lucky escapes & near miss happen way too many times, that some people think that those that do get hit are to blame regardless, instead of accepting that they have been luck that it didn't happen to them..

Too often the near-misses are put down to their supreme motorcycle skills .... and situation recognition abilitys ...