TL1000 - 2000 model

[Juzz976]

Sorry, gonna hi-jak this thread for a moment. This is a very common misconception. The timing retard only affects the first 3 gears, and only at partial throttle. Full throttle still gives full power in any gear.

That I would say could very well be true, it just doesn't make sense.
(The part about full throttle, I knew about only in lower gears.)

I will consider this when I'm riding to work tomorrow

[98tls]

Actually on a TL and i would suppose other EFI Suzukis its gears 1-4,Tre simply fools the ecu into thinking its in 5th,theres also 6th gear ones available which remove speed sensor on some models.While were at it theres also auto and static TREs available,fwiw.Simply put the factory retarder still allows full timing at full throttle,as you shift up the amount of throttle needed to access the advance curve decreases until you hit 5th and its gone.TLs well the S anyway have a bad case of the stumbles at 3-3500 rpm which is a pain in the aese literally,removed when you fit a TRE.

[BuzzardNZ]

Actually on a TL and i would suppose other EFI Suzukis its gears 1-4,Tre simply fools the ecu into thinking its in 5th,theres also 6th gear ones available which remove speed sensor on some models.While were at it theres also auto and static TREs available,fwiw.Simply put the factory retarder still allows full timing at full throttle,as you shift up the amount of throttle needed to access the advance curve decreases until you hit 5th and its gone.TLs well the S anyway have a bad case of the stumbles at 3-3500 rpm which is a pain in the aese literally,removed when you fit a TRE.

my SV also had those stumbles at the same rev range ( common problem with SV's and TL's as you said ).
A power commander or TEKA tune will also smooth those stumbles away.
+1 on the TRE.
TPS adjustment also helps.
Pissed me off that dealerships don't set them up properly before the sell em ( new )
as it was pretty annoying to buy a brand new bike that ran a little rough in that rev range.

[98tls]

my SV also had those stumbles at the same rev range ( common problem with SV's and TL's as you said ).
A power commander or TEKA tune will also smooth those stumbles away.
+1 on the TRE.
TPS adjustment also helps.
Pissed me off that dealerships don't set them up properly before the sell em ( new )
as it was pretty annoying to buy a brand new bike that ran a little rough in that rev range.

Yea mate,ive had an old Yoshi ECU flasher for years,same day i fitted the TRE i mucked about with the Yosh box,end result no more stumbles whatsoever.Didnt realize the SV had them,jesus you would think after the TL Suzuki could eliminated them eh,not the most difficult or costly thing to do with all there resources.

[crazyhorse]

The sound....................... is Orgasmic

[Elysium]

The sound....................... is Orgasmic

Bah, so is the VTR

[98tls]

Bah, so is the VTR

How the fuck can somethiong that ugly make you produce custard E?Let alone admit it.All that taking the piss aside as good a motorcycle as they are (yea way back before buying mine i rode a few) i always thought of the VTR as a kind of Claytons motorcycle ie you rode it got off the thing and forgot about it cause there was nothing to remember,a tad similar to the first time you shagged a fugly with normal body dimensions.

[Elysium]

How the fuck can somethiong that ugly make you produce custard E?Let alone admit it.

It's how you use it brother.

[98tls]

It's how you use it brother.

Bugger,good answer mate.

[crazyhorse]

Bah, so is the VTR

Um............. nope! definitely not the same sound.

[imdying]

you would think after the TL Suzuki could eliminated them eh

It's right in the testing zone, and what's good for Euro3 and the EPA, isn't good for drivability, unfortunately.

[Morcs]

Ive owned both, and done all the 'routine' mods to them.
Both have great motors.

With standard shocks, the TLR handles better.
Suprising I found the TLR a lot more comfortable in general for longer distances (even with helibars fitted to a TLS)

[mbikeman1]

finally ive come back to reply to all your info etc.ive had it for a few weeks now and having only riden it twice im finding it completely different to ride than a 4 cyl bike.the other day i pulled out to pass a car and certainly didnt expect the front wheel to come up.damn what a supprise that was but the undies were still clean when i got home.im used to the speed (as anyone can go fast in a straight line) but what a change in tourge.ive noticed on deaceleration or low steady revs that it seems to hunt and that will take a bit to get used to cornering etc.this is probably the timing issue some have refferd to?un like my old ninja at least it can be thrown into a corner and seems light to throw around.seems like a 250 compared to the gpz .
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[98tls]

Glad to hear your happy with it,yep sounds like it has the normal "stumbles" around 3000 rpm,if you fancy a trip down to Oamaru sometime i can flash your ecu with my Yosh box,best to get yourself a tre (auto) and fit that at the same time.Enjoy the TL,actually post up a few pics eh.

[mbikeman1]

Glad to hear your happy with it,yep sounds like it has the normal "stumbles" around 3000 rpm,if you fancy a trip down to Oamaru sometime i can flash your ecu with my Yosh box,best to get yourself a tre (auto) and fit that at the same time.Enjoy the TL,actually post up a few pics eh.

so where abouts would i get my hands on a tre?the stumbles make me a bit iffy when cornering.the next decent ride for me will be the brass so may posibley see you there?