Roo's off to court now too...

**madboy** · 21st June 2005, 13:23

By the way - if you have a mathematically inclined mind and happen to like riding sportsbikes fast...

If this hypothetical rider stopped every single time the 5-0 suggested they did, this would probably be between 5 and 10 times a year. Each time would result in a ticket, because the speeds were always in excess of 10km/h over the limit. Allowing for the odd 30+, 40+ that would allow for a ticket to be issued, as opposed to the 50+ that was instant loss of licence, and you're talking about thousands of dollars in fines, an excess of demerit points and certain suspension of licence through those excess points. So the individual would then either spend 90% of their time not riding their bike, or they would spent 90% of their time riding whilst disq and running the risk of further infringements that would occur.

And everytime said hypothetical individual gets a ticket/conviction on their bike, they have an obligation to advise their insurance company who insure their CAR/s. The outcome would be that the insurers would increase the premiums/excess/decline coverage. Leaving the individual either uninsured or in debt.

So simplistic people say "stop, take the ticket, do the crime do the time". That's cool - $300 and 40 demerits mean nothing to the hypothetical individual. But it's what happens when a few of these combine that it suddenly means you're doing a runner not from $300 and 40 demerits, but from thousands of dollars and huge risks. So it puts the "high" risk of a runner back in perspective.

**Indoo** · 21st June 2005, 16:13

Originally Posted by madboy

By the way - if you have a mathematically inclined mind and happen to like riding sportsbikes fast...

Alternatively they could just stop riding stupidly fast in stupid situations where their stupid arse is invariably going to get caught by a cop?

Pursuits put a shit load of people at risk, including other innocent motorists which might someday include yourself or your family who have a head on with some motorbike doing a runner at 150kmh+. I don't think any formula can quite justify that.

**Lou Girardin** · 21st June 2005, 16:33

Originally Posted by madboy

By the way - if you have a mathematically inclined mind and happen to like riding sportsbikes fast...

If this hypothetical rider stopped every single time the 5-0 suggested they did, this would probably be between 5 and 10 times a year. Each time would result in a ticket, because the speeds were always in excess of 10km/h over the limit. Allowing for the odd 30+, 40+ that would allow for a ticket to be issued, as opposed to the 50+ that was instant loss of licence, and you're talking about thousands of dollars in fines, an excess of demerit points and certain suspension of licence through those excess points. So the individual would then either spend 90% of their time not riding their bike, or they would spent 90% of their time riding whilst disq and running the risk of further infringements that would occur.

And everytime said hypothetical individual gets a ticket/conviction on their bike, they have an obligation to advise their insurance company who insure their CAR/s. The outcome would be that the insurers would increase the premiums/excess/decline coverage. Leaving the individual either uninsured or in debt.

So simplistic people say "stop, take the ticket, do the crime do the time". That's cool - $300 and 40 demerits mean nothing to the hypothetical individual. But it's what happens when a few of these combine that it suddenly means you're doing a runner not from $300 and 40 demerits, but from thousands of dollars and huge risks. So it puts the "high" risk of a runner back in perspective.

Or you could smarten up, be aware of risk areas, use counter-measures and not get tickets.
Boring huh?

**sAsLEX** · 21st June 2005, 17:25

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

use counter-measures and not get tickets

yeah a couple of active radar and laser jammers and your home sweet!

**Ixion** · 21st June 2005, 17:28

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

yeah a couple of active radar and laser jammers and your home sweet!

Would not have helped in this case. Mr Roo rode past an unmarked mufti car , which pursued him, and (I presume ) radioed for HP and chopper backup. Mufti car didn't have radar.

**madboy** · 21st June 2005, 17:29

When you do a certain amount of kays in a certain amount of situations, luck determines whether you are put into a situation that may end up with a run-in (or away from) the 5-0. Cops don't discriminate between an act actually being dangerous or not. They chase you for exceeding the speed limit as well. And who can honest say they genuinely believe that exceeding the speed limit in itself is dangerous? 100km/h past a school at 3pm on a weekday in the wet on your GN250 might be dangerous, but is 120km/h on a deserted 3-lane motorway at 1am in the dry on your GSXR1000 dangerous? You tell me.

You'd then have to put your hand on your heart and say that you'd never EVER exceeded the speed limit, otherwise you'd be a hypocrite. And who's gonna admit they're a hypocrite?

**White trash** · 21st June 2005, 17:31

Originally Posted by madboy

You'd then have to put your hand on your heart and say that you'd never EVER exceeded the speed limit, otherwise you'd be a hypocrite. And who's gonna admit they're a hypocrite?

Never, NEVER broken the speed limit.

whilst on one wheel with no cloths on

**SPman** · 21st June 2005, 17:49

Originally Posted by White trash

Never, NEVER broken the speed limit.

whilst on one wheel with no cloths on

Yeah, but WHICH speed limit - the speed of sound?

**Ixion** · 21st June 2005, 17:51

I broke a speed limit once. It was an accident. I bumped it and it fell over and broke. I stuck it back together with Uhu glue, and it still worked OK, but there were all these cracks in it.

**Dafe** · 21st June 2005, 18:09

How can you get done in court? A lawyer would get you off easy. Just talk to one.
There is no evidence, only the word of an officer who has no idea how fast you were going. Don't forget, you don't know either..... and you were riding as you always have, just like when you got your motorcycle licence. Your not aware that you were riding in any offensive way, otherwise you would have expected to fail your bike licence.
Perhaps suggest that you will enrol in a motorcycle school safety course because you are upset by this having happened.
And do do the course!!!

**justsomeguy** · 21st June 2005, 18:39

Originally Posted by Ixion

I broke a speed limit once. It was an accident. I bumped it and it fell over and broke. I stuck it back together with Uhu glue, and it still worked OK, but there were all these cracks in it.

...............Ixion for comedian of the year.......

**justsomeguy** · 21st June 2005, 18:42

Originally Posted by Indoo

Alternatively they could just stop riding stupidly fast in stupid situations where their stupid arse is invariably going to get caught by a cop?

Don't be stupid.......... the solution CANNOT be that simple.......

We need jammers and detectors and our own fleet of satellites and spy planes.....

Yea thats what we need.... and rockets..

...so we can blast those piggys back to the sty...... oh yeah and we need this network of trailer trucks that we can dissappear into the back off - to hide from these guys......

And we need vans travelling with us with cool audio equipment playing a sexy soundtrack while we do all this......

Yea... that's what we need......

**Will** · 21st June 2005, 18:57

What falls into the "runner" situation?

Not getting caught?

We have all done that!

Not so long ago I was late for an appointment (funeral actually) and was jumping around the lanes on the motorway, avoiding all those slow cages. I knew I would be obvious, had my radar dectector on, and was more keeping an eye out. At one point, I briefly caught red and blue lights flashing in my mirrors. Did another check, nothing amongst all the cages. So I thought, ah, there's a mufti in there and he is stalking me but he had to use his lights to get one of those arsehole cagers out of his way. Sorry mate but the game is up. And I was doing exactly 105 around all the slow cages. Never got pulled up. So I must've done a runner.

Be honest folks, isn't that part of the reason you ride

**Two Smoker** · 21st June 2005, 19:02

Second what Lou says... Most of you know i ride fast, but i also choose that time i ride fast very carefully... SH22 yep ill go quick, SH1... fark off... also residential areas... Fark off... The only way i see that you can be done on the motorway is you passed a mufti car, otherwise you definately deserve it... but then if im passing cars its not at some insane speed, what happens when they change lanes???