Compulsory ATGATT Yay or Nay

[Usarka]

I think a better solution would be to provide incentives for and subsidize those that do reduce the risk of injury by wearing ATGATT.

Still the same issues as listed above. Just how would you do that?

[superman]

and how exactly do you propose we do that then?

That part's easy. Put a box on the registration saying that all riders of the vehicle will be in full gear / won't be. Then you're under any cops radar for wearing/not wearing gear depending on how much you've paid. They can check just by typing in the rego of your bike, easy as pie. And put a symbol or something on the rego so that even random checks they can see whether you're complying with your registration.

[Big Dave]

With respect - Where's option five? 'Get. Fucked'.

[Scuba_Steve]

and how exactly do you propose we do that then?

your incentive is "you won't get fucked up (or as fucked) should you have a crash" & the subsidy comes with the money saved by not having any gear other than helmets compulsory & therefore regulated

[Hellzie]

and how exactly do you propose we do that then?

It's hard to police whether people are wearing their gear, so there is a certain level of trust required. It's not the first thing that requires trust when it comes to ACC or other forms of insurance.

There are other ways too, e.g. use some of the ACC money to subsidise bike gear so it's not so frikkin expensive.

Also, in the same way that your insurance is null and void if you are breaking the law, the same should apply to ACC. If you get a subsidy for supposedly wearing ATGATT and then crash and injure yourself while not wearing gear, then you shouldn't get help from ACC.

Just ideas.. instead of trying to force rules on people all the time for everything, maybe a better alternative is to provide incentives for being GOOD.

[Whynot]

That part's easy. Put a box on the registration saying that all riders of the vehicle will be in full gear / won't be. Then you're under any cops radar for wearing/not wearing gear depending on how much you've paid. They can check just by typing in the rego of your bike, easy as pie. And put a symbol or something on the rego so that even random checks they can see whether you're complying with your registration.

are you serious?

[Usarka]

That part's easy. Put a box on the registration saying that all riders of the vehicle will be in full gear / won't be. Then you're under any cops radar for wearing/not wearing gear depending on how much you've paid. They can check just by typing in the rego of your bike, easy as pie. And put a symbol or something on the rego so that even random checks they can see whether you're complying with your registration.

You need to think in legislative terms, because that's what you are proposing.

Ie. try defining "gear" for us.

What is the difference between a non bike leather jacket and a proper "gear".

Are safety boots acceptable gear?

What fabric jackets are acceptable gear?

I just bought this $30 chineese made textile bike jacket off trademe - is this acceptable gear?

How do I convince officer that these jeans are actually motorbike jeans - they are designed not to look like "gear".

If your talking subsidies based on bike shop sales, does that mean my Ducati T-Shirt is "gear"?

etc. etc etc.

[superman]

are you serious?

It's the same as having registered a 250cc bike to a 250cc rego? If the cop finds out it's not actually a 250cc bike then out comes the fine.

Same with having to wear glasses while riding/driving.

Would be just fine.

[Hellzie]

You need to think in legislative terms, because that's what you are proposing.

Ie. try defining "gear" for us.

What is the difference between a non bike leather jacket and a proper "gear".

Are safety boots acceptable gear?

What fabric jackets are acceptable gear?

I just bought this $30 chineese made textile bike jacket off trademe - is this acceptable gear?

How do I convince officer that these jeans are actually motorbike jeans - they are designed not to look like "gear".

If your talking subsidies based on bike shop sales, does that mean my Ducati T-Shirt is "gear"?

etc. etc etc.

That's detail... trust me, these legislative beurocrat types are good at defining things..

[Usarka]

That's detail... trust me, these legislative beurocrat types are good at defining things..

Right, so the government implements some beuracratic system to manage this and you expect to save money that's a goodie!

Edit: and sorry I don't know you and on this i certainly don't trust you...

[Whynot]

It's the same as having registered a 250cc bike to a 250cc rego? If the cop finds out it's not actually a 250cc bike then out comes the fine.

Hands up who's ridden a bike larger than 250cc on a learner or restricted ....
shall we do another poll ??

[superman]

You need to think in legislative terms, because that's what you are proposing.

Ie. try defining "gear" for us.

What is the difference between a non bike leather jacket and a proper "gear".

Are safety boots acceptable gear?

What fabric jackets are acceptable gear?

I just bought this $30 chineese made textile bike jacket off trademe - is this acceptable gear?

How do I convince officer that these jeans are actually motorbike jeans - they are designed not to look like "gear".

If your talking subsidies based on bike shop sales, does that mean my Ducati T-Shirt is "gear"?

etc. etc etc.

Who knows, they could subsidize on different levels depending on what kind of gear you have. You just write on the rego the minimum you would wear and therefore you get that subsidy. ie I'll always at least wear a leather jacket. And that corresponds to $xx subsidy.

[bogan]

Who knows, they could subsidize on different levels depending on what kind of gear you have. You just write on the rego the minimum you would wear and therefore you get that subsidy. ie I'll always at least wear a leather jacket. And that corresponds to $xx subsidy.

and what happens when i say i'll wear it all the time, then come off wearing only a mankini?

[Usarka]

It's the same as having registered a 250cc bike to a 250cc rego? If the cop finds out it's not actually a 250cc bike then out comes the fine.

It is extremely easy for a cop to tell if a bike is 250cc. He looks it up on the computer. How does he tell that me hong-wing-shoon super-leather jacket is designed/approved for bikes?

Who knows, they could subsidize on different levels depending on what kind of gear you have. You just write on the rego the minimum you would wear and therefore you get that subsidy. ie I'll always at least wear a leather jacket. And that corresponds to $xx subsidy.

So you are saying that an old non-motorcycle leather jacket I have from the 80's that would fall apart if I brush against the wall would get me a subsidy....?

If not, how does mr policeman "know" that you're wearing safety gear? Refer to question about draggin jeans - would the average policeman believe you when you tell him they are protective gear? No.

I'm getting brick marks on my forehead can someone else explain this better?

[Dadpole]

Picture this. The middle of nowhere and you get pulled over.

"Sorry about this Sir. We are under pressure to save you by doing random gear checks."

10 minutes later after you have produced the annual inspection certificate for your gear and it has been physically checked.

"Sorry to say this Sir, but your visor seems to be scratched and is no longer able to be used. You realise it is forbidden to ride without a closed visor due to someone being blinded back in 2011. I can give you a lift to the station and you can arrange someone to pick up your bike there"