Motorcycle ACTION Now!

**Usarka** · 22nd February 2011, 18:41

Originally Posted by Fatt Max

Fair enough, opinion respected, but is cutting all ties with these groups that have so much more to offer in both expertise, experience and knowledge a good move?

Could learn something from Sinn Féin and the IRA.......

**Spyke** · 22nd February 2011, 18:50

Originally Posted by DEVVIL

All I can say is work together. KB has its place but not regarding action. The ones that pull every thing apart can sit on their PCs and do nothing but piss and moan. I will stand next to biker(BRONZ/MAG or Independent) who wants to take a planed civil disobedient action For the right reason.
Post any FB Twitter info

Cant be bothered with any flame tit for tat BS

+1 it isn't the place to organise events that will change peoples lives

Just like the govt discusses all their affairs online? Imagine if they did, now that would be interesting.

**SPman** · 22nd February 2011, 18:55

ANY affairs discussed on line are interesting....or perverted.....or sick........or.....

**Katman** · 22nd February 2011, 21:52

III's problem is, he refuses to see the bigger picture.

**Brian d marge** · 22nd February 2011, 23:58

Originally Posted by SPman

And after they've done such a GREAT job at relieving unemployment, making a good place for average income people to live and thrive in with better health care, education and fairer policies for all......

oohh you havent seen anything yet , you should see what they are planning to do

Even Jk is distancing himself from parts of it

Twitter , now theres a though

Thursday ,,6pm let ride by Ministers X ( insert any one who doesnt support Human beings ) drop of a well worded leaflet, toot a few horns

repeat up and down the country at random all via twitter

Stephen

**riffer** · 23rd February 2011, 06:13

I imagine most of the Government's plans may have to go on hold for a while post-quake.

Now would not be seen as a good time for protest action and would result in massive negative press for motorcyclists. Not to mention the opportunity for media space at the moment is very scant.

I've not heard of a KB elite. Is this because I'm not cool enough?

Speaking from one inside one of the "motorcyclists representative groups" we're doing a shitload of work at the moment, to the detriment of our own personal lives, and a lot of it we're either too busy to talk about, or there's just nothing worth reporting about.

Some people's attitudes in TPTB ARE changing; some aren't. But one thing is happening - amongst TPTB there is emerging a grudging respect for motorcyclists and maybe, just maybe a growing perception that we're not all temporary citizens intent on all killing ourselves.

We've got a long way to go. And along the way there will most likely be a need for protest, confrontation and civil disobedience if all other steps fail. But at the moment there is more progress being made behind the scenes than at any other time in the last decade and it could all very easily turn to custard with inappropriately-timed protest actions.

**Quasievil** · 23rd February 2011, 06:15

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

This is a serious thread. All attempts to move it off topic will be reported to the moderators. All personal attacks and attempts to spam the thread will be reported to the moderators.

If you have an on topic serious question, it will be answered or discussed as it merits.

Moderators, with your kind assistance I'd like to see all deliberate attacks and attempts to hijack deleted or sent to pointless drivel.

Now that is some FUNNY shit BWAAAAAHHHH

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 23rd February 2011, 06:45

Originally Posted by riffer

I've not heard of a KB elite. Is this because I'm not cool enough?

theres a KB elite group???? ??? can I join can I can I... huh... huh... can I huh can I... can I join the KB elite group can I ... can I huh... can I..?

**Quasievil** · 23rd February 2011, 06:54

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

theres a KB elite group???? ??? can I join can I can I... huh... huh... can I huh can I... can I join the KB elite group can I ... can I huh... can I..?

Shall we start one ?
You Riffer and me can be the founding members !

ooooo fuck this is a serious thread I might get reported so back to the topic

yeah we should do some more action stuff and sort out the politicians eh cause idolidolidol reckons so

**idleidolidyll** · 23rd February 2011, 07:02

Originally Posted by Usarka

Could learn something from Sinn Féin and the IRA.......

Perhaps, but only about organizing in cells so our associates are insulated from identification if that's what they want.

That's partly the idea behind the use of email and cell phones.

**Hawkeye** · 23rd February 2011, 07:03

You may find that the government have something a little more on their minds at the moment than the election, motorbike groups or anything else for that matter.

**oneofsix** · 23rd February 2011, 07:17

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

You may find that the government have something a little more on their minds at the moment than the election, motorbike groups or anything else for that matter.

The election is still on their minds. They will look at what the Sept quake did for Bob Parker when Jim was leading the Mayoral race. Why do you think the PM went down there instead of the CD minister? I feel for the people of Canterbury but don't get sucked in by all the pollies clambering for the cameras to make well meaning announcements, the election is still very much on their minds, they are too self centered for it not to be.

**idleidolidyll** · 23rd February 2011, 07:25

Originally Posted by Maha

What the OP is doing, hell anyone can do it...
Come up with a grand idea but, let someone else do it.
He said so himself, he does not want to lead this thing.
He has an over inflated veiw of himself.
He has been at for close to 18 months and...still nothing.
I first heard him make noise about september 09'.
Check back here in say....two months time?

Actually, the truth is somewhat different.

Indeed, I did advocate this from the start but I was shouted down by those PC folk who believed that action would be counterproductive and that only talk would work. I was even sent emails and PM's asking me to hold off doing anything until talking had been tried.
The 200 or soeople who sent me their mobile phone numbers back then were keen to go for it but in deference to the many polite requests to hold back and with the deafening roar of rude and ignorant folk shouting for us to refrain: I stepped back and waited.

Now it is 18 months later as you point out. The result from all the talking and PC approach? Zip, Nada, zilch, zero, bugger all; use whatever term you prefer. Not a single stretch of cheese cutter has been pulled down, not a dollar has been cut from our levies, not a road has been swept that wouldn't have been anyway.

And now I'm told that I have three months to achieve a result when all those PC folk have achieved zip, nada, zero, zilch and bugger all in 18 months? I'm sure you'll understand how much value I place on that requirement.

BUT~ this is not an initiative one person can win alone. If you agree that talk is cheap but action gets reaction; sign up. Send a message, post ideas, make contact with like minded riders. Most of all: stop thinking that a few people talking to politicians is going to achieve much of anything without the knowledge that bikers are pissed off with decades of deteriorating road work standards putting us in dang, that we don't accept instant claims od 'speed was the main factor' when a bike crashes due to poor road construction or repair, that we have proof that cheese cutter barriers kill motorcyclists, that paying extra levies because cars are killing us is not only unfair; it's outrageous.

If you care about these issues and more and are dismayed that you've seen no RESULTS in the last 18 months, only words; then sign up. If you're a member of a MAG group, BRONZ etc; tell them you want to see action and support those bikers who are prepared to stand up and be seen, who arerepared to take ACTION to bring the eye of the public, media, politicians and contracting companies onto our quite legitimate cases for change.

3 months? Perhaps that IS the target. The reason it's the target though is because for 18 months we've been waiting and waiting and waiting.
3 months? No, let's make that 7 months; this IS a general election year after all.

ARE YOU PASSIONATE ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS AS A BIKER?
DO YOU THINK TALK ALONE HAS ACHIEVED ANYTHING?
DO YOU BELIEVE THE WORDS AND PROMISES THAT COME FROM THE MOUTHS OF POLITICIANS?
DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE OF YOUR CONVICTION TO STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?

IF YOU ANSWERED YES, SEND A PM, HARANGUE YOUR CURRENT ORGANISATION, COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS AND DISMISS THE NAYSAYERS WHO'VE ACHIEVED NOTHING THEMSELVES SO FAR.

**idleidolidyll** · 23rd February 2011, 07:33

Originally Posted by Maha

Fuck you're a crack up......

Suggestion my arse....why would the mods want to talk to me about you, im sure they would rather swallow thier own sick.
Take action on this post Mr III.
If you want me to stop posting, stop quoting me.
Or better yet, put me on ignore.

Maha,

Do you have anything on topic to add or are you merely here to post abuse and disrupt?
No, I won't ignore anyone; if that's your way to make trouble 'go away'; be my guest.
However, if you have something of value to add, something constructive, I'll read and comment on it in context. Are you really keen to see motorcyclists rights improved? Do you think action is valuable or a waste of time? Tell us all in public please as I'm not about to print the PM's you've sent me on the subject.

What tactics have been successful in the last 18 months?
How do you measure that success if you suggest there has been some. (numbers of bikes on rides doesn't cut the ice for me, that's not a success, that's merely a statistic).

Please, elucidate, inform, suggest, promote, discuss
If your ideas are valid you might end up with more than 300 members from a registered population of 100,000 bikes.