Motorcycle ACTION Now!

[Nasty]

Wrong; the time for protest and ACTION is NOW. Well before the election. That's the problem; the extant biker groups have been telling us to do nothing for ages and to leave it to them. The result? Read above.

Having watched this thread with less interest than most - I find the following:

1. III you don't listen to others

2. III you just seem to think that one way is right and that is YOUR way

3. III you have not suggested a bloody thing

4. III you have accused and abused organised groups - YET - you are pathetically unable to suggest or organise your way into a non-abusive thread with reasonable discussions where others can participate without you going mad and abusing them or accussing them of taking the discussion off topic

5. This post is on topic - it relates to the continued inability of YOU III to actually gain buy in or anything to YOUR approach.

[Katman]

The big picture here is that bikers have been fucked over ever since I can remember

The bigger picture is bigger than that Mike.

[Brian d marge]

I told you what to do , just go and do it

tweet , Jk house Thursday 7pm toot toot and a flyer's in the letter box ,

posting letter to parliament is FREE

the letter must be well written and reasoned ( trust me , one slightest weak point and it WILL be binned in the crackpot bin...pollys get TONS of letters from crackpots )

I will write the letter if you want.


tweet and repeat ....just go and do it !


Stephen

[Brian d marge]

I imagine most of the Government's plans may have to go on hold for a while post-quake.

Now would not be seen as a good time for protest action and would result in
and it could all very easily turn to custard with inappropriately-timed protest actions.

True but Regular small tweet and repeats ( i like that , has a catch to it ) WITH a UNITED VOICE
ie a Letter That ALL GROUPS agree on , ie generic

wont cause custard ..but will constantly remind those that pretend to be our duly elected leaders

on a side note I know many on the labour front bench ( not sure if they are there now ) and I know they are trying to do the right thing ...so why is it so friggen difficult

unless they cant

Stephen

[Maha]

The 18 months was a time frame provided to me by a MAG member. Perhaps that was from inception to registration. You'll have to take that up with them and if you feel it is of value; feel free to post here.
I'm happy to stand corrected and that would mean that the organisation, MAG, has OFFICIALLY had 5 months to achieve as compared to the 3 months Maha seems to have given me, an individual.

In the meantime, any ideas for action?

Excuse me?...feel free to point out where I said three months.
The MAG website was up and running August 28th and MAG officially launched October 3rd you ignorant twat.

[Virago]

I'm happy to stand corrected and that would mean that the organisation, MAG, has OFFICIALLY had 5 months to achieve as compared to the 3 months Maha seems to have given me, an individual...

We were not aware that this was a contest. Why do you continue to see it as such?

[caseye]

Time as always, is of the essence. Competitions are not always bad things Virago, having said that I too have watched this thread and I see in Ideli somone who is totally frustrated at being told this group or that group is going to Do something, only to see them go for a ride somewhere or write a letter.Ideli wants action and by george he will get it even if he has to do it himself.
In that respect I wish him well, he is going to find as we who have tried before him that NZ Bikers are almost comatose when it comes to what is happening around them unless it actually involves riding.
I support anyone who wants to try and get our current Govt to change their stance on ACC,.
I support anyone who actually stands up and does something whatever it is to that end.
I'm tired of listening to drivel from almost all parties about who is right or wrong.
For once can't we all see that while some people want to do diffeent things that there is room for all to do their thing and that collectively and in unision (even if it's only a passing acknowledgement of the other) we might get some traction.
Ulysses tried last year to get 44 groups of motorcyclists together at the same table.Just 10 replied to their initial enquiry as to whether or not they;'d like to attend an inaugural meeting of like minded bike groups.
To see if some common ground could not be found.
The outcome of that meeting was so far that there is or was another one early this year, attended by those same groups.
I'd like to hear what does or has happened at that meeting.
I'd like to see different opinions aired here and discussed, not two antagonists going at one another hammer and tongs, are we not in the 21st century?
If we can't thrash out a clear one line statement to the Politicians we're buggered , each and every one of us.
So go on, continue the fighting, ignore the obvious.Eventually both sides and all opinions will need to come together to fight central govt.
Or not, and if it's , or not , we're screwed.

[PrincessBandit]

Small splintered groups and activities, particularly those which appear not to have general support from riders, will not do us any favours.

Civil disobedience tends to only attract rent-a-mob which can ultimately do more damage than any intended by the purists who are on a crusade.

[Brian d marge]

Time as always, is of the essence. Competitions are not always bad things Virago, having said that I too have watched this thread and I see in Ideli somone who is totally frustrated at being told this group or that group is going to Do something, only to see them go for a ride somewhere or write a letter.Ideli wants action and by george he will get it even if he has to do it himself.
In that respect I wish him well, he is going to find as we who have tried before him that NZ Bikers are almost comatose when it comes to what is happening around them unless it actually involves riding.
I support anyone who wants to try and get our current Govt to change their stance on ACC,.
I support anyone who actually stands up and does something whatever it is to that end.
I'm tired of listening to drivel from almost all parties about who is right or wrong.
For once can't we all see that while some people want to do diffeent things that there is room for all to do their thing and that collectively and in unision (even if it's only a passing acknowledgement of the other) we might get some traction.
Ulysses tried last year to get 44 groups of motorcyclists together at the same table.Just 10 replied to their initial enquiry as to whether or not they;'d like to attend an inaugural meeting of like minded bike groups.
To see if some common ground could not be found.
The outcome of that meeting was so far that there is or was another one early this year, attended by those same groups.
I'd like to hear what does or has happened at that meeting.
I'd like to see different opinions aired here and discussed, not two antagonists going at one another hammer and tongs, are we not in the 21st century?
If we can't thrash out a clear one line statement to the Politicians we're buggered , each and every one of us.
So go on, continue the fighting, ignore the obvious.Eventually both sides and all opinions will need to come together to fight central govt.
Or not, and if it's , or not , we're screwed.

Reading not your strong point is it , you right about the one clear message ,, which I do think needs addressing

you might have missed the point that , writing a letter and going for a ride , WITH other like minded people ORGANISED via twitter IS ACTION

and an Action which will not cause others who are working behind the scenes any inconvenience to there objectives , Which should and I suspect are the same ,

Stephen

[Fatt Max]

Time as always, is of the essence. Competitions are not always bad things Virago, having said that I too have watched this thread and I see in Ideli somone who is totally frustrated at being told this group or that group is going to Do something, only to see them go for a ride somewhere or write a letter.Ideli wants action and by george he will get it even if he has to do it himself.
In that respect I wish him well, he is going to find as we who have tried before him that NZ Bikers are almost comatose when it comes to what is happening around them unless it actually involves riding.
I support anyone who wants to try and get our current Govt to change their stance on ACC,.
I support anyone who actually stands up and does something whatever it is to that end.
I'm tired of listening to drivel from almost all parties about who is right or wrong.
For once can't we all see that while some people want to do diffeent things that there is room for all to do their thing and that collectively and in unision (even if it's only a passing acknowledgement of the other) we might get some traction.
Ulysses tried last year to get 44 groups of motorcyclists together at the same table.Just 10 replied to their initial enquiry as to whether or not they;'d like to attend an inaugural meeting of like minded bike groups.
To see if some common ground could not be found.
The outcome of that meeting was so far that there is or was another one early this year, attended by those same groups.
I'd like to hear what does or has happened at that meeting.
I'd like to see different opinions aired here and discussed, not two antagonists going at one another hammer and tongs, are we not in the 21st century?
If we can't thrash out a clear one line statement to the Politicians we're buggered , each and every one of us.
So go on, continue the fighting, ignore the obvious.Eventually both sides and all opinions will need to come together to fight central govt.
Or not, and if it's , or not , we're screwed.

Good post mate,

I have been saying that the only way is a united way embracing ALL forms of protest, literal and physical.

I have been saying this for a while now.

Getting there will always be a problem, but for fuck sake why not try.

Those we wish to defeat will love all this bickering, proves to them their (wrong) belief that we are a pack of useless bikers who cant organise a bunk up in a knocking shop.

But hey, what the fuck do I know......

[Katman]

Civil disobedience tends to only attract rent-a-mob which can ultimately do more damage than any intended by the purists who are on a crusade.

But civil disobedience doesn't need to mean rioting.

En masse refusal to pay your rego and clogging the court system works for me.

[DEVVIL]

But civil disobedience doesn't need to mean rioting.

En masse refusal to pay your rego and clogging the court system works for me.

OMG Katman stop making sense. Whats the world coming to.
Bling bling
Just think of the TV licence and people power

[idleidolidyll]

Having watched this thread with less interest than most - I find the following:

1. III you don't listen to others

2. III you just seem to think that one way is right and that is YOUR way

3. III you have not suggested a bloody thing

4. III you have accused and abused organised groups - YET - you are pathetically unable to suggest or organise your way into a non-abusive thread with reasonable discussions where others can participate without you going mad and abusing them or accussing them of taking the discussion off topic

5. This post is on topic - it relates to the continued inability of YOU III to actually gain buy in or anything to YOUR approach.

Oh my, now I've got moderators after me.

I disagree nasty; that is ALL ad hominem. It might JUST be on topic but nevertheless, it is a blatant personal attack.

Trust me, I have a degree in it.

BTW; like Ocean, those are merely your opinions and are not supported by fact.

Do you have any suggestions you think will create a RESULT or are you happy enough just bagging me?

[idleidolidyll]

But civil disobedience doesn't need to mean rioting.

En masse refusal to pay your rego and clogging the court system works for me.

Indeed

Was someone advocating starting riots?

[Nasty]

Oh my, now I've got moderators after me.

I disagree nasty; that is ALL ad hominem. It might JUST be on topic but nevertheless, it is a blatant personal attack.

Trust me, I have a degree in it.

BTW; like Ocean, those are merely your opinions and are not supported by fact.

Do you have any suggestions you think will create a RESULT or are you happy enough just bagging me?

I disagree with you .. no moderators are after you. I was stating what i see as the facts that you are putting out there. its your choice to matyr yourself. So go for it.