Motorcycle ACTION Now!

[riffer]

Looks like Crazy Steve's going to have some company...

[idleidolidyll]

When and if Chch is settled - politics waits for no disasters - in fact - politicians use disasters to further their own gains, to slide even more odious laws and systems into place because the public are even further distracted! It's hard to keep an eye on politicians or care about what they are doing when you are trying to rebuild your lives and properties. You'd expect them to be helping those in need! Hah! Only if they can get to remain in power, otherwise they couldn't give two fucks about the ordinary citizen. Your "consent" to remain in power, thought of by most as their vote, is all they want. Withdraw that consent, and they will do whatever it takes to try and keep power and that is the hold people have over politicos. What a shame most people are too scared to realise that.

Good to see some deep analysis here.

A key is this: regardless of which party you support; never trust a politician.

In fact I'll go one further: ALWAYS look for the bill they ate trying to slip in the backdoor or the crony they are sucking up to when you think they are doing something altruistic

Politicians are trained in the house to manipulate, misdirect and misinterpret to their own advantage

[riffer]

You guys aren't seriously suggesting they might use the earthquake in Christchurch as an excuse to suspend the election now are you?

Buy a tin foil hat guys...

[idleidolidyll]

And in 12 months time we can all see what you will sorted out as well, IMHO nothing.

You cry and wine about the government this, government that, and think that it will change if someone else gets into power, it wont, and if Labour gets in it will only get worse, unless of course you are on the dole or want some hand out.

I commend you on your stance and passion behind it but you are very naive to think that we are a big enough group, even if we stand together, to change much if anything.

"The fact is that government and council policies are effectively killing us, driving us off the road and silencing our voices"quote from your earlier post
Why do you believe this? what has been done to confirm this is what they want?

And to end, i think there are more important things to worry about in NZ at this present time then if the government is trying to get rid of bikers, and i guess all the fellow bikers in CHCH couldn't give a rats arse about right now either.

What is the ONLY thing that hasn't actually been tried yet?

That's right: ACTION

until it's tried, we will never know if it works or not.
Are you prepared to give up before it is tried?

As I said in another post: about the only thing I've ever seen really get a result for bikers was ACTION against Auckland City over parking. We took over half the city just once and they capitulated.

Are you gonna let the detractors stop you even trying?
You have bugger all to lose but a lot to gain.

[nallac]

Looks like Crazy Steve's going to have some company...

lets hope so...what a load of crap........

[idleidolidyll]

The bigger picture is bigger than that Mike.

There is always a bigger picture Katman (bloody useless Apple spell check!) the important thing is which really matter to a person at any point in time.

I care a lot about disadvantaged people
I care about destruction of the environment
I care that the USA has started 56 overt and covert wars in the last 100 years

Those are all bigger issues but, At the moment, the big issue I care about is bikers dying in my arms because they crash on gravel, bikers being treated badly and disrespected by the government, bikers being disrespected by Auckland council ey

I have other concurrent 'big issues' but those just aint relevant here and now.

So please, cease the nifty one liners and post something with some guts to it

[idleidolidyll]

I told you what to do , just go and do it

tweet , Jk house Thursday 7pm toot toot and a flyer's in the letter box ,

posting letter to parliament is FREE

the letter must be well written and reasoned ( trust me , one slightest weak point and it WILL be binned in the crackpot bin...pollys get TONS of letters from crackpots )

I will write the letter if you want.


tweet and repeat ....just go and do it !


Stephen

Stephen

Of all those who have posted here you are the only one to offer some definite action

Full credit to you and yes, I agree completely

Good on ya mate

[Nasty]

There is always a bigger picture layman, the important thing is which really matter to a person at any point in time.

And again with the insults. The question is when are you gonna grow up and actually be constructive. What are your proposals - what are the actual options that you are wanting considered - actually say something rather than antagonise for no gain.

[idleidolidyll]

True but Regular small tweet and repeats ( i like that , has a catch to it ) WITH a UNITED VOICE
ie a Letter That ALL GROUPS agree on , ie generic

wont cause custard ..but will constantly remind those that pretend to be our duly elected leaders

on a side note I know many on the labour front bench ( not sure if they are there now ) and I know they are trying to do the right thing ...so why is it so friggen difficult

unless they cant

Stephen

Again,

I agree, that's one very valid suggestion.

However, as you have obviously gathered, I don't think letters and talk alone are ever gonna be enough. Unless these are backed by something that will cost them or disrupt their plans in some way, letters and talk can be countered by letters and talk.

[Katman]

Those are all bigger issues but, At the moment, the big issue I care about is bikers dying in my arms because they crash on gravel,

Spare us the fucking theatrics.

The motorcyclist most likely to die in your arms would have been trying to keep up with your public road/racetrack heroics.

[idleidolidyll]

We were not aware that this was a contest. Why do you continue to see it as such?

Maha suggested I'd fail and to review in 3 months I believe. Frankly I can't be bothered reading back to hunt down his post, it's just not that important to me

No, it's not a contest, it's a bunch of people with good intentions who, for some reason, think that one of the most tried and trusted tactics available should be avoided like the page: ACTION

[idleidolidyll]

Time as always, is of the essence. Competitions are not always bad things Virago, having said that I too have watched this thread and I see in Ideli somone who is totally frustrated at being told this group or that group is going to Do something, only to see them go for a ride somewhere or write a letter.Ideli wants action and by george he will get it even if he has to do it himself.
In that respect I wish him well, he is going to find as we who have tried before him that NZ Bikers are almost comatose when it comes to what is happening around them unless it actually involves riding.
I support anyone who wants to try and get our current Govt to change their stance on ACC,.
I support anyone who actually stands up and does something whatever it is to that end.
I'm tired of listening to drivel from almost all parties about who is right or wrong.
For once can't we all see that while some people want to do diffeent things that there is room for all to do their thing and that collectively and in unision (even if it's only a passing acknowledgement of the other) we might get some traction.
Ulysses tried last year to get 44 groups of motorcyclists together at the same table.Just 10 replied to their initial enquiry as to whether or not they;'d like to attend an inaugural meeting of like minded bike groups.
To see if some common ground could not be found.
The outcome of that meeting was so far that there is or was another one early this year, attended by those same groups.
I'd like to hear what does or has happened at that meeting.
I'd like to see different opinions aired here and discussed, not two antagonists going at one another hammer and tongs, are we not in the 21st century?
If we can't thrash out a clear one line statement to the Politicians we're buggered , each and every one of us.
So go on, continue the fighting, ignore the obvious.Eventually both sides and all opinions will need to come together to fight central govt.
Or not, and if it's , or not , we're screwed.

Caseye

I agree to a point

You can't help people who refuse to be helped

In the end, levy increases are no biggie to me; I can afford em
However, I'm prepared to fight for YOUR right to be treated fairly and not be raped by government

[nallac]

I'm prepared to fight for YOUR right to be treated fairly and not be raped by government

so what happens if we don't want you to "fight" on our behalf?????????.

[idleidolidyll]

I disagree with you .. no moderators are after you. I was stating what i see as the facts that you are putting out there. its your choice to matyr yourself. So go for it.

Oh if only we were allowed to post PM's and rep comments!

Matyr?
No, I'm no Jeebus

I just care about fairness and bikers being fucked over by authority. Someone here told me they wanted no tall poppies; I disagree, causes need tall poppies as those are rallying points

I once I may not be THE tall poppy but I'm not gonna let the fuckers with sickles cut me down just yet because I've seen bugger all others trying to promote ACTION.

In fact, despite lessons showing it works, most have been brainwashed to think it can't work so won't even try it.

[idleidolidyll]

Looks like Crazy Steve's going to have some company...

Despite his human failings (think about your own, we all have em) you might be surprised to hear that I respect Steve.

He's no gutless wonder and is a man who stands up for what he believes in

I'd be proud to stand there with him