Motorcycle ACTION Now!

[CookMySock]

Leaders are people respected for their vision and actions.

Nope. Leaders are respected for not offending the delicate sensibilities of their members. Most leaders are elected because they pander to those who elect them. It matters not whether there are real results or otherwise, as said leader grandstands from one topic to the next. The whole point of these leaders(sic) is not to represent you or I, but to pacify us with that illusion in the meanwhile, and work their way up the political chain of power and become one of the people who are part of the problem.

Then there is the next problem of people cutting you down because they are afraid to stand up to the law(sic)makers - cue three quarters of KB.

There is an evolution of those who have had enough of overt and ever-increasing taxation, rule making, money-gathering, and other government stunts, but they aren't going to post here for the above reasons.

I'd suggest individuals decided for themselves what they consented to, or not, and simply do that.


Steve

[BoristheBiter]

Tell ya what, leave off the idiot personal attacks and I'll discuss with you. Continue and I wont bother.

1. Action in Akl City re parking. You may be too young to have known it or an immigrant.
That was over 30 years ago and we took action that achieved the desired result.
FYI; you don't have to take over a whole city; just take damn near every carpark in the CBD with one bike each space.

Most of the leaders of the various biker orgs know about that one but they ignore it in favor of PC bullshit.

2. Re ridding the roads of bikers.
Go read the MAG website, it discusses Aucklands anti bike policy.
In the past, roads were swept clean, now they are not. Draw a conclusion: even Gough the regulations require roads to be left clean and swept, it is not enforced and Govt doesn't give a shit.
Past politicians have indicated they want to see less bikes. However, you don't have to hear that said to understand; you only have to consider how they ignore our calls re cheesecutters, gravel, potholes, bad road design for motorbikes n bicycles etc etc

Not everything is spelled out in B&W, in fact politicians prefer that it isn't so they can blame someone else.

That's all you get for now. A polite reply will get you more, another silly attack will guarantee nothing comes your way

Fuck you're a bit precious aren't you. I asked you a civil question in the first place and got some BS answer so get over yourself.

And yes i am an immigrant (so what) and have been here for over 40 years, never have i seen normal roads swept clean, potholes fixed or roads designed for bikes, and you show me where any politician has said that they want to see less bikes on the roads.

Guess what? You are not the only one that uses roads, in fact the bike community is not a high percentage of the road users in general, so if you think that by some sort of what ever action you want things will change you are very badly mistaken.

So go put your tinfoil hat on, work some more paranoia into that head of yours and post some more bollocks.

Answer this or not, i couldn't give a rats arse as any discussion with you would be pointless as you can't see any other side than your own.

P.S. If you are going to bag a bike organisation (MAG-NZ) stop quoting there web site.

[BoristheBiter]

Nope. Leaders are respected for not offending the delicate sensibilities of their members. Most leaders are elected because they pander to those who elect them. It matters not whether there are real results or otherwise, as said leader grandstands from one topic to the next. The whole point of these leaders(sic) is not to represent you or I, but to pacify us with that illusion in the meanwhile, and work their way up the political chain of power and become one of the people who are part of the problem.

Then there is the next problem of people cutting you down because they are afraid to stand up to the law(sic)makers - cue three quarters of KB.

There is an evolution of those who have had enough of overt and ever-increasing taxation, rule making, money-gathering, and other government stunts, but they aren't going to post here for the above reasons.

I'd suggest individuals decided for themselves what they consented to, or not, and simply do that.


Steve

Welcome back, long time no post.

[mashman]

... and we wonder why TPTB don't give a shit. As far as i'm concerned, not paying for your rego does 1 thing and 1 thing only... pushes levies up the next year and every year afterwards. It will also give them excuses for borrowing more overseas $$$, justifying the selling of public assets etc... and all in the name of them darn motorcyclists not paying their levies... which are obviously fair because the April 1 risk based road user analysis computer says so!

However, and this is where I came unstuck after approaching my local MP, without having the figures to back up any argument, next to noone will want to touch the theory with a barge pole. But there is a group of people that will listen to the theory. The people.

Therefore the only way I can see pressure being exerted on TPTB and hopefully making them look again at the numbers in a different light, is to come up with a solid message and some best guess figures, get out and about and get signatures on paper. Focus on the "rough", highly populated areas as they're more than likely gonna wanna stick one to TPTB... they're are about the $$$, no more, no less. The human factor isn't a part of their equation unless we make it that way.

As for the flaming and KB's not a place to organise a piss up attitude... you're the same person wether on a forum or having a chat with yer mates in the pub. No?

Am i gonna join the III... I might yet, especially as it's only ideas being thrown around... PM pending...

p.s. this isn't just a motorcyclists issue... our actions affect everyones levies

[avgas]

People are/have already put rego's on hold and that is why we are seeing motorcyclists being targeted by the cops for safety reasons.

Yep that part sucks.
I had to go rego bike as I went through 3 checkpoints in a week.

Fucking wankers

[Katman]

There's a big difference between 5% of motorcyclists refusing to pay rego and 95% of motorcyclists refusing to pay rego.

One is easily clamped down on by routine policing and the other becomes a bigger problem than TPTB have ever contemplated.

[Quasievil]

I aint paying rego fees, fuck em

I registered it in my name at my address, Im still the same person at the same address, why do I have to register the same information to the same data base
every fucking year , for who and for why !!

[nodrog:Me]

There's a big difference between 5% of motorcyclists refusing to pay rego and 95% of motorcyclists refusing to pay rego.

One is easily clamped down on by routine policing and the other becomes a bigger problem than TPTB have ever contemplated.

The answer to an easy, non public upsetting, easy to do (even by lazy cunts) protest is contained within this post.

Fanny.

[Quasievil]

did you know the Magna Carta allows us to have free and peaceful use of the Queens highways ?
that was until wanky Labour changed the law before we took that up with them.

[hotgsxr750]

did you know the Magna Carta allows us to have free and peaceful use of the Queens highways ?
that was until wanky Labour changed the law before we took that up with them.

I think you still can if you didn't agree to there new photo Licence way back when but I will be proven wrong by someone

[SPman]

You guys aren't seriously suggesting they might use the earthquake in Christchurch as an excuse to suspend the election now are you?

Buy a tin foil hat guys...

Not at all - they have some more odious bills they want to enact. They'll play the sympathy card for the elections. However, they've so far, suspended the census,(not a biggie as long as they do it properly). and also enacted a state of National emergency, which affects the entire country, instead of a Provincial state of emergency, which affects that province - so now, you can get some policeman in Kaitia telling you what to do, quoting his powers under the NSE, and politicians doing things outside Canterbury, which have nothing to do with the Chch's troubles.

Leaders are respected for not offending the delicate sensibilities of their members. Most leaders are elected because they pander to those who elect them.

REAL leaders, are seldom elected!

[idleidolidyll]

Nope. Leaders are respected for not offending the delicate sensibilities of their members. Most leaders are elected because they pander to those who elect them. It matters not whether there are real results or otherwise, as said leader grandstands from one topic to the next. The whole point of these leaders(sic) is not to represent you or I, but to pacify us with that illusion in the meanwhile, and work their way up the political chain of power and become one of the people who are part of the problem.

Then there is the next problem of people cutting you down because they are afraid to stand up to the law(sic)makers - cue three quarters of KB.

There is an evolution of those who have had enough of overt and ever-increasing taxation, rule making, money-gathering, and other government stunts, but they aren't going to post here for the above reasons.

I'd suggest individuals decided for themselves what they consented to, or not, and simply do that.


Steve

sadly you're describing what people often settle for; i was describing REAL leaders

well said DB

[MrKiwi]

Personally I'm into action. I'll keep talking, that is one form of action. I'll keep writing letters, that is another form of action. Every letter you write to the Minister for ACC is sent to the department for officials to draft a reply for the Minister's consideration prior to the Minister sending the reply back to you under his name. Lots and lots of letters clogs the system and also makes a point. One the easiest ways to get the point across is for each of to continue to write a letter and protest. Demand they give us quantifiable justifications for the increase (which of course they can't but reading the replies is kind of amusing in a sadistic sort of way).

Keep the protest going, and going, and going. If we go quiet as individuals and collectively then they will think they are winning and we have given up. Keep the noise level up and they get worried.

Keep them worried is my view.

Action on many fronts will keep them worried...

[CookMySock]

sadly you're describing what people often settle for; i was describing REAL leaders

Well thats a bit of a head-scratcher then. How to become a non-elected leader of a volunteer body?

I'm somewhat surprised to see the "we don't consent and we won't pay" remarks in this thread. **double checks the URL.. yep this is KB..

I'm completely over their fundraising efforts. I won't pay, and I won't discuss it with them. I'm sure there's going to be a huge tantrum from all quarters.

They are currently attempting to "discuss" some issue where was not carrying my license with me (otherwise completely legal AND BEHAVING to boot!) I have repeatedly informed them I do not consent and will not discuss . It's a small battle with little to lose, so we'll see.

[Pixie]

Fair enough, opinion respected, but is cutting all ties with these groups that have so much more to offer in both expertise, experience and knowledge a good move?

Any action needs support from all factors. These groups can provide access to media and people of influence. Is it wise to totally discount this?

I’m not saying do not get stuck in and have a crack, I’m merely saying that to paint all the biker groups with the ‘chicken stick’ can do more damage to the overall campaign.

Max,you sound surprisingly like Dave Cohen after we started you-know-what.