Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[oneofsix]

This is the sort of thing that KM refers to...totally un-necessary death.

be nice if his comments were restricted to those occasions and yes those type of collisions we (riders) need to address. KM tends to down even when the biker has tried to avoid the collision and was perhaps mis-lead by the other vehicle, like a car that swings left then turns right as you go by.
Yes you learn to anticipate fools but fools are infinitely inventive so sometimes it would be nice if they got their ears slapped, like enforcing the when turning left move as far to the left as practical. If you need to swing right before making that left turn then you are either unless or both unless and going too fast.
Because there is no note to the contry and the rider didn't make it one is left to assume he was going too fast but what if it was a rock or loose gravel that caused them to cross the centre line? Now the rider has a part to play in that but if they had chosen their line at a safe speed and hit a gravel spill that they couldn't have seen? Do you take all bends at five k in case? A certain amount of what you do is dependant on others having done their part, like marking road works.

[StoneY]

There is one thing I wish to make utterly clear, on this thread especially

I am stuck in a very hard role to fill..... to be true to those that rode on BIKEOI, and run BRONZ Wellington, and the Federation, and to be a part of MSAC...its a very narrow lane and a very nasty rock on one side, and a concrete wall on the other.

I am an avocate of NO SECRETS but, have to obey certain rules to be a part of the various organisations I am involved with.... sometimes, I just cant win and that may be showing in some of my replies, I am as frsutrated as anyone else with these issues.

I appologise to you all if any of my posts are pissing you off, but, please, walk half a mile in my boots......... they give ya corns AND blisters!!! (bloody SIDI's)

Thanks to those who are 'getting it' with supportive comments...I do appreciate it.


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[Pixie]

I love the positive outlook expressed here ... and the alternative is to ... not get involved and the govt will still blame the bikers :

Money has always been available from ACC for safety initiatives.In fact the MSL is likely to eliminate this source of funding in the future.

[Pixie]

So what are your ideas on reducing the motorcycle road toll?

Hate to admit it, But Katman has said multiple times that it is up to us to reduce the accident rate of motorcyclists. We need to take responsibilty for our own actions.

So personally I am going to be taking the most practical steps to avoid joining the statistics.

P.S. I still hate the fact that Katman puts his message out there at the wrong time or wrong thread.

Compulsory driver training based on European licensing,(German or Scandinavian).All drivers
Parental driver training not acceptable.Driver Education in schools.Training cost > $1000. Penalty for major traffic infringement : Repeat all training and resit test.

[MSTRS:Me]

be nice if his comments were restricted to those occasions and yes those type of collisions we (riders) need to address. KM tends to down even when the biker has tried to avoid the collision and was perhaps mis-lead by the other vehicle, like a car that swings left then turns right as you go by.
Yes you learn to anticipate fools but fools are infinitely inventive so sometimes it would be nice if they got their ears slapped, like enforcing the when turning left move as far to the left as practical. If you need to swing right before making that left turn then you are either unless or both unless and going too fast.
Because there is no note to the contry and the rider didn't make it one is left to assume he was going too fast but what if it was a rock or loose gravel that caused them to cross the centre line? Now the rider has a part to play in that but if they had chosen their line at a safe speed and hit a gravel spill that they couldn't have seen? Do you take all bends at five k in case? A certain amount of what you do is dependant on others having done their part, like marking road works.

Yes, there can be any number of factors that lead to outcomes such as this one. Yet the one factor that is a constant on every single case is...someone was hanging onto the bars. THAT is the factor that can determine whether any of the others are relevant. Or not. Most of the time.

[Pixie]

And from a personal point a few weeks ago heading home a guy in an SS Commode(ore)went passed me at 130plus(I was doing 120ish)so I sat behind him (2 second rule etc)at speeds I was happy with,but the thing pissing me off was the times his car crossed the centre line on right hand bends,while I was well inside mine.Followed him for approx 130km on main highway and provision highway.

I once had nearly the same experience.Except it was from Matamata to the intersection of SH2,the speeds were up to 160 km/hr,the car I was following at a very discrete distance was a cop car with 4 cops on board and I was in a Commode station wagon and I still didn't cross the centre line on any of the bends (as a point of principle)

[Pixie]

Katman,you are like a stuck fucken record,Do you realise you don't actually contribute anything of value.

What is your problem with motorcycles?
Is it that you aspire to a higher social status and when the people you may mingle with find out you are associated with motorcyclists,they give you shit?
Well fuck off and join the Taupo Yacht Club or something and stop boring us.

[MSTRS:Me]

Yes dear...

[Katman]

Katman,you are like a stuck fucken record,Do you realise you don't actually contribute anything of value.

What is your problem with motorcycles?
Is it that you aspire to a higher social status and when the people you may mingle with find out you are associated with motorcyclists,they give you shit?
Well fuck off and join the Taupo Yacht Club or something and stop boring us.

Sounds like I've struck a nerve.

Funny, I don't recall you telling me to shit the fuck up when we met face to face.

[Pixie]

Sounds like I've struck a nerve.

Funny, I don't recall you telling me to shit the fuck up when we met face to face.

I hadn't recently read a dozen repetitive posts from you at the time

[Katman]

I hadn't recently read a dozen repetitive posts from you at the time

Oh, I think you probably had.

[StoneY]

Money has always been available from ACC for safety initiatives.In fact the MSL is likely to eliminate this source of funding in the future.

No not at all, the existing fundings are set in place under other projects, they will never be reduced, or replaced by MSL projects.

That is something I CAN say as I asked that very question myself, and was happy with the amswer.

[bogan]

No not at all, the existing fundings are set in place under other projects, they will never be reduced, or replaced by MSL projects.

That is something I CAN say as I asked that very question myself, and was happy with the amswer.

I personally would feel a lot better about it, if we had it in writing (as part of the MSL operating rules etc) that NO project, existing or in future, would ever be passed over for funding and instead referred to the MSAC to be given MSL funds; unless of course the project comes from the MSAC.
Do you think it would be possible to get something to that effect?

[StoneY]

I personally would feel a lot better about it, if we had it in writing (as part of the MSL operating rules etc) that NO project, existing or in future, would ever be passed over for funding and instead referred to the MSAC to be given MSL funds; unless of course the project comes from the MSAC.
Do you think it would be possible to get something to that effect?

Its allready in the legislation for the MSL fund, ewhich is on the ACC website as far as I am aware.

The legislation clearly states, its not to be uused for anything that is already supported under current funding initiatives, also been clarified in other MSL threads on this very website several times
That has to be as good as 'in writing' its part of the laws protecting the use of the fund.

[bogan]

Its allready in the legislation for the MSL fund, ewhich is on the ACC website as far as I am aware.

The legislation clearly states, its not to be uused for anything that is already supported under current funding initiatives, also been clarified in other MSL threads on this very website several times
That has to be as good as 'in writing' its part of the laws protecting the use of the fund.

have you got a link to this? The ACC site is a fucking mess.

I did manage to find some Terms of Reference, but they do not clearly state it.