Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[riffer]

...give it some time our first meeting was only last week!

I think (because I haven't been 'told') that there have been a couple of meetings already.

You're really not listening are you Smiffy?

[phill-k]

Good on ya mate, many appreciate the efforts you are going to, to keep others in the loop, so thanks for your tolerance. From your post I'm assuming there will be a website set up where up to-date info is posted, be good if we could see announcements on here about that, I'm sure they will setup a mailing list anyway.

ACC's website is not totally up to date matey, after all its less than a week since we met!
I said e-mail them or maybe ring them, I cant state any more on whats happening here as its not my specific duty to do so, and I wont tread on my colleagues toes again.

There is a group who have that task and the information is being coalated, and a specific web resource created...give it some time our firsd meeting was only last week!

Sorry I canot provide more, all I can say is the members of this council are on YOUR side, period. I have NO more to say

I am in a situation thats simply un winnable.
I am not the formal communications appointee so its outside my scope, and I can only ask you all to trust those appointed because they also are, like you, BIKERS first last and foremost.

In 6 months, when things have been happening, and funds have been spent, judge us then.

Im out of this thread now, had enough of the bullshit.
Sick of being called names, being accused of actions that exist only in the minds of the ignorant, and taking crap for doing my best to do whats right.

To those who 'get it' thanks for the support.
I guess we just leave the ignorant ranting fools to it and get on with our lives now

[Smifffy]

You're really not listening are you Smiffy?

Well, I did want to. The message is becoming far to clouded, contradictory and confusing.

I thought they had a 1st up meeting/teleconference after it was all announced last month, when it was the MSL group, and then apparently they have just had another one, since becoming the MCsac.

I do have an interest in what is going on, and I'd like to be kept in the loop. I also thought that a newly formed organisation would be ideally placed to take advantage of the open/e-government concept that was actually set up a few years back. I guess I'm mistaken in that too.

Do I really need to email Nick or Hekia to find out who on the council I can contact for information?

Maybe it was a case of the earlier communique getting people's hopes up that something was finally starting to happen, and the quiet word came because we know how people can react when they then get disappointed?

I think this is the largest online motorcycling forum in NZ, it is certainly at the top of any motorcycle related web search for NZ specific pages on google. I think that makes it a great resource for communicating directly with those who will be affected by the decisions made.

So now rather than wanting to support it in any way I can, I'm more moved to say "That's great, get back to me when you have something to say."

[avgas]

My understanding is that only Morgan is being paid for his time.

Why does this not surprise me.
And you all called me stupid for not trusting this man.

Well let it be a fools errand to tell you I am still right.

[avgas]

MCsac

Are they hoping to get some balls this time? (sorry but it was too easy......and its a good one )

[Vgygrwr]

I acknowlege mine is perhaps a boring academic view, so no need to say.
Firstly I am one of the "returning bikers", I can count a personally disappointing number of occasions where luck rather than skill has saved me. I also observe in groups a number with skill levels lower than mine riding much less conservative bikes. I therefore totally support all efforts to improve the chances, as I believe it also increases the enjoyment in the return to bikes, of my age group.
Secondly ALAC is funded by a levy on supply, collected by customs, $12.7 million being the level approved for 2010/2011. Published on their website.
Thirdly spent a bit of time on systems theory. Generally feedback is vital to system control. In large systems such as organisations of people it is far more effective/efficient to control feedback than to attempt direct contol, other than in clear emergency situations. I would be dissappointed if those in influential positions did not understand this. Some would use the term communication instead of feedback.
Finally I puzzle over the inclusion of "sick fo being called names" and "leave the ignorant ranting fools" within the same reply.

[Smifffy]

Why does this not surprise me.
And you all called me stupid for not trusting this man.

Well let it be a fools errand to tell you I am still right.

We did get told that all members will receive a payment now.

The payment apparently is an insult, and in no way covers their time or expenses in full. So we all feel better about that considering it was originally going to be totally unpaid, but that's against ACC rules. The payment comes from ACC budget, not the levy fund.

You should probably wait to be told that by the right person though.

[White trash]

Why does this not surprise me.
And you all called me stupid for not trusting this man.

Well let it be a fools errand to tell you I am still right.

I'm with ya mate. Not got a lot of time for the bloke, albeit for probably different reasons to yours.

[Mom]

And again you show your total ignorance of the situation with another rant based on suspicion and inuendo

Still suffering the sour grape tatse from not being invited to be on the council are we???

I have not been 'cnesured' I have been asked not to do another council members specific JOB, as I am NOT on the 'communications working group'
I am on the PROJECTS working group - also I was told to not speak of other councillors in this forum as it makes things difficult in the workings of the group - and thats a fair point.

If you want to see the minutes contact ACC and ask for them

Nothing in this is secret
Nothing in this is 'do what Nick says' and I for one am tired of the jealousy and foolish suspicion on these forums, especially from one such person who asked me for direct access to the MSL group, and I am sick of being nice about it to be honest

Raw nerve? Look everyone is entitled to change their minds eh. More info coming to light, more education and a different stance is taken. Dont get too wound up about, I certainly am not, and you never know you may well change your mind regarding the MSL levy and get in behind MAG and their mission to see it abolished. Just saying.

[MrKiwi]

And again you show your total ignorance of the situation with another rant based on suspicion and inuendo

Still suffering the sour grape tatse from not being invited to be on the council are we???

I have not been 'cnesured' I have been asked not to do another council members specific JOB, as I am NOT on the 'communications working group'
I am on the PROJECTS working group - also I was told to not speak of other councillors in this forum as it makes things difficult in the workings of the group - and thats a fair point.

If you want to see the minutes contact ACC and ask for them

Nothing in this is secret
Nothing in this is 'do what Nick says' and I for one am tired of the jealousy and foolish suspicion on these forums, especially from one such person who asked me for direct access to the MSL group, and I am sick of being nice about it to be honest

Thanks StoneY - I'm quite capable of speaking for myself and I will soon...

[MrKiwi]

While you're at it, here's something else for you to whine about: The Motorcycle Safety Campaign Month has been abandoned in the wake of the earthquake:

Earthquake Puts Motorcycle Safety Campaign On Hold


The 100 Days motorcycle safety campaign that was scheduled to start on 1 March has been postponed as a result of the Christchurch earthquake.
The District-wide campaign is focussed on reducing motorcycle crashes. It has come about as a result of the high number of fatal and injury crashes in the Tasman Police District.
Tasman District Road Policing Manager Jenni Richardson said, with a large number of staff working out of the District there was a risk the campaign would be less effective, so the decision was made to delay it.
About 50 Tasman District Police are already in Christchurch helping with the rescue effort and more staff have been requested.
"Like the rest of New Zealand our thoughts are with the Canterbury community and we've had no shortage of staff volunteering to help in Christchurch.
"Those staff already there are working 12 hour shifts and do not have showers or running water. They have to take all of their own food and water for the duration of their deployment. It's certainly not pleasant, but everyone wants to do their bit."
Ms Richardson said there had also been a considerable increase in traffic coming into Tasman District as people evacuated from Christchurch.
"We need to ensure we are patrolling the roads and keeping those people safe as well."
The timing of the 100 Days campaign will be reviewed in coming weeks.

This is unfortunate. Not happy to learn this.

[riffer]

This is unfortunate. Not happy to learn this.

Hardly surprising though. At the end of the day Police resources only stretch so far and the earthquake is going to swallow up a lot of them.

I've got my fingers crossed that Christchurch motorists are showing the way at the moment - there's a number of traffic lights out at intersections and people have had to go back to old-fashioned courtesy and common sense. Perhaps they might try that in Tasman in the absence of police on the roads.

Unfortunately I'm not that much of a naiive fool to ever think that for too long. Let's hope we don't hear about any head-ons on Takaka Hill or Rau Valley Racetrack.

[Katman]

Thanks StoneY - I'm quite capable of speaking for myself and I will soon...

Mr AA I presume?

[MrKiwi]

Mr AA I presume?

I am hardly Mr AA. I am not an employee of the AA and I am not on the AA's national council.

[MrKiwi]

Hardly surprising though. At the end of the day Police resources only stretch so far and the earthquake is going to swallow up a lot of them.

I've got my fingers crossed that Christchurch motorists are showing the way at the moment - there's a number of traffic lights out at intersections and people have had to go back to old-fashioned courtesy and common sense. Perhaps they might try that in Tasman in the absence of police on the roads.

Unfortunately I'm not that much of a naiive fool to ever think that for too long. Let's hope we don't hear about any head-ons on Takaka Hill or Rau Valley Racetrack.

Fair point.