Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[Smifffy]

Keep talking to old fullas when they see me on my bike and they almost always seem to say, oh I just got a bike again after xx years. 1300 xxx xxxxxx

1300?!?! AFTER MORE THAN A DECADE?!

Guess they are more experienced than I so I shouldn't question it, straight to the top

They possibly don't want to smoke the WRX/Skyline at the lights though...

More likely want to cart the mrs and a pile of her luggage round the island.

[superman]

They possibly don't want to smoke the WRX/Skyline at the lights though...

More likely want to cart the mrs and a pile of her luggage round the island.

And I most likely want to smoke WRX/Skyline because of my age?!

Guess I kynda do...

[Fatt Max]

I drink, wine, lots of it.

Dont I feckin' know it matey....

[MSTRS:Me]

They possibly don't want to smoke the WRX/Skyline at the lights though...

Don't need a 1300 for that...

My thoughts on the MSAC being paid are....

1. We knew this would be the case.

and

2. He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

I've said it before. Ministerial appointee or paid employee - makes no difference - they will do what the minister wants. Or they are out.

Whilst the idea of a motorcyclist-run safety council might be good, the reality is the whole thing is a crock, and with AA involvement it just got worse.

[MrKiwi]

I drink, wine, lots of it. How come I dont get a levy on my wine purchases to fund ALAC?

Should not give them ideas eh?

Wine and beer are outrageously taxed!

[StoneY]

Apparently. Denial of an agreement to keep discussions "in Committee" have been denied over and over again, despite some really close sources being told something entirely different. I think StoneYs post shows us that there is infact a communication protocol that has to be maintained, the fact that StoneY admits to have being censured for a post on KB saying that Nick Smith wanted Mike Noon to head up the MSLC etc only confirms things that have been denied vehemently. Nothing is to be discussed with the interested payees of the levy. Us little plebs will slimply swallow all that is spouted, blindly like the ignorant BIKERS we are.

We should just blindy continue to lie down and accept the outrageous levy increases for there are a group of "MOTORCYCLISTS" looking after out interests

And again you show your total ignorance of the situation with another rant based on suspicion and inuendo

Still suffering the sour grape tatse from not being invited to be on the council are we???

I have not been 'cnesured' I have been asked not to do another council members specific JOB, as I am NOT on the 'communications working group'
I am on the PROJECTS working group - also I was told to not speak of other councillors in this forum as it makes things difficult in the workings of the group - and thats a fair point.

If you want to see the minutes contact ACC and ask for them

Nothing in this is secret
Nothing in this is 'do what Nick says' and I for one am tired of the jealousy and foolish suspicion on these forums, especially from one such person who asked me for direct access to the MSL group, and I am sick of being nice about it to be honest

[Smifffy]

And again you show your total ignorance of the situation with another rant based on suspicion and inuendo

Still suffering the sour grape tatse from not being invited to be on the council are we???

I have not been 'cnesured' I have been asked not to do another council members specific JOB, as I am NOT on the 'communications working group'
I am on the PROJECTS working group - also I was told to not speak of other councillors in this forum as it makes things difficult in the workings of the group - and thats a fair point.

If you want to see the minutes contact ACC and ask for them

Nothing in this is secret
Nothing in this is 'do what Nick says' and I for one am tired of the jealousy and foolish suspicion on these forums, especially from one such person who asked me for direct access to the SML grou, and I am sick of being nice about it to be honest

Well, a search at ACC web site informs me that MSAC is in ACC acronymspeak the 'Medical Services Advisory Committee'.

Their own website further states that ACC's role in motorcycling is:

ACC’s role

ACC runs community-based motorcycle safety projects around the country. They are managed by local ACC staff and run in conjunction with other people and agencies that have a shared interest in increasing motorcycle safety.

Considering their own webpage doesn't even acknowledge the existence of this organisation, I don't hold much hope of the minutes being posted online.

TBH if what you posted steps on the toes of the communication committee member, then the communications committee member is doing a piss poor job, since yours is the only communication I've seen, and I've been on the lookout.

If I am wrong, and there is a wealth of information out there that has been communicated by the communications committee member, are you able to point me in the correct direction. 'Go ask ACC' is not a valid response to this question.

Thanks

[riffer]

Well, a search at ACC web site informs me that MSAC is in ACC acronymspeak the 'Medical Services Advisory Committee'.

Try the MCSAC. You might have more luck. Typos generally don't get great search results.

As for ACC not putting information up on site immediately for you, it's a big organisation, and the MCSAC is a small part of it, and has been in existence now officially for 5 days.

Perhaps you could exercise a little patience? Wheels of government don't turn especially fast in the first few days after a national emergency.

You might understand a bit more if you think of the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Committee as a further extension of VSAG:

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/about/who-an...sag.html#march

I never heard any complaints about the NZ motorcycle industry's involvement with this project.

[MSTRS:Me]

Stoney - you know I am, generally speaking, behind any initiative aimed at promoting motorcyclist's safety on our roads. Nor do I question your sincerity as part of the MSAC in these forums. You have been a tireless promoter of what the MSL could achieve, and you were gold at the Bikeoi. Anyone in your position deserves any kudos from what you've done.
But that also puts you in the firing line of those of our community that are tired of political lies, machinations and general bullshit. Few of us are naive enough to believe all we are told. Frankly, Nick the Prick has stolen a march on us all with the MSL and the Council to oversee it. We are all right where he wants us...still annoyed at the levy rise, more annoyed at the extra safety levy that no other motorist pays and taking it out on the Council, instead of him. Leaving him free to continue sharpening his knives over the rest of ACC.
As the 'face' and voice of that Council, you may be the undeserving target of 'our' frustrations, but think back to the feelings we all had 17/11/09...

[Big Dave]

Wheels of government don't turn especially fast in the first few days after a national emergency.

If they are anything like my wheels they have got fuck all done besides spending a lot of time reading the NZ Herald, KB and feeling surprisingly sad.

[riffer]

While you're at it, here's something else for you to whine about: The Motorcycle Safety Campaign Month has been abandoned in the wake of the earthquake:

Earthquake Puts Motorcycle Safety Campaign On Hold


The 100 Days motorcycle safety campaign that was scheduled to start on 1 March has been postponed as a result of the Christchurch earthquake.
The District-wide campaign is focussed on reducing motorcycle crashes. It has come about as a result of the high number of fatal and injury crashes in the Tasman Police District.
Tasman District Road Policing Manager Jenni Richardson said, with a large number of staff working out of the District there was a risk the campaign would be less effective, so the decision was made to delay it.
About 50 Tasman District Police are already in Christchurch helping with the rescue effort and more staff have been requested.
"Like the rest of New Zealand our thoughts are with the Canterbury community and we've had no shortage of staff volunteering to help in Christchurch.
"Those staff already there are working 12 hour shifts and do not have showers or running water. They have to take all of their own food and water for the duration of their deployment. It's certainly not pleasant, but everyone wants to do their bit."
Ms Richardson said there had also been a considerable increase in traffic coming into Tasman District as people evacuated from Christchurch.
"We need to ensure we are patrolling the roads and keeping those people safe as well."
The timing of the 100 Days campaign will be reviewed in coming weeks.

[riffer]

I wonder what TPTB will say if there's an increase in crashes in the Tasman District in the wake of news that there's going to be fuck all coppers there in the next month or two?

[StoneY]

ACC's website is not totally up to date matey, after all its less than a week since we met!
I said e-mail them or maybe ring them, I cant state any more on whats happening here as its not my specific duty to do so, and I wont tread on my colleagues toes again.

There is a group who have that task and the information is being coalated, and a specific web resource created...give it some time our firsd meeting was only last week!

Sorry I canot provide more, all I can say is the members of this council are on YOUR side, period. I have NO more to say

I am in a situation thats simply un winnable.
I am not the formal communications appointee so its outside my scope, and I can only ask you all to trust those appointed because they also are, like you, BIKERS first last and foremost.

In 6 months, when things have been happening, and funds have been spent, judge us then.

Im out of this thread now, had enough of the bullshit.
Sick of being called names, being accused of actions that exist only in the minds of the ignorant, and taking crap for doing my best to do whats right.

To those who 'get it' thanks for the support.
I guess we just leave the ignorant ranting fools to it and get on with our lives now

[Smifffy]

Try the MCSAC. You might have more luck. Typos generally don't get great search results.

As for ACC not putting information up on site immediately for you, it's a big organisation, and the MCSAC is a small part of it, and has been in existence now officially for 5 days.

Perhaps you could exercise a little patience? Wheels of government don't turn especially fast in the first few days after a national emergency.

You might understand a bit more if you think of the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Committee as a further extension of VSAG:

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/about/who-an...sag.html#march

I never heard any complaints about the NZ motorcycle industry's involvement with this project.

Ok, thanks for that, went back and had another go.

Have no problem with it taking time to get info out. However when somebody who is in a position to shed a little light on the goings on does so, and then gets spoken to about it, I take issue.

Particularly when the given reason is that it is somebody else's job to communicate with the masses. WTF is their communication then? Sounds like a gagging order to me.

5 days - yeah right - when did they start collecting the levy?

We are told (not by the communications rep) that none of the levy money collected so far has been used in the setting up of this thing, so I think that if ACC is serious they could do a little more. Their motorcycle safety page was last updated in 2009 FFS.

I think (because I haven't been 'told') that there have been a couple of meetings already. Apparently a lot of good stuff has happened at these meetings.

"Trust us" they say. They don't even trust each other.

[MSTRS:Me]

Im out of this thread now, had enough of the bullshit.

Arnie would disagree...

To those who 'get it' thanks for the support.

You're welcome. I just try to see it from both sides, with a liberal dose of "We'll see" learned over a lot of years of being lied to and shat on by TPTB.