Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[riffer]

I can't comment on what's been allegedly planned and hasn't happened, that's a bit vague for me.

Absolutely agree, if there's requirement on the individual then the same requirement must be given by those ultimately responsible for that which is outside of our control and I believe that's achievable.

I'm a believer that if you do nothing - that's exactly what you will get, but I am very very doubtful that labour would be the sole saviour you guys appear to expect them to be, especially at this time. Although I would wish lots of luck!


I guess that is the most important point, and even more importantly - to assert a role for Motorcyclists where their needs and requirements are counted and included in any roading or safety issues - regardless of who is in power.
From what I can see, this is exactly what we have, albeit in the very early stages.

Cheers mate.

The only saviours of motorcyclists here I see are the motorcyclists of New Zealand. I don't expect Labour, Greens, NZ First, National or Act to do a damn thing out of the kindness of their heart for us. We must help ourselves.

But I'd be a fool if I didn't listen to what anyone has to say.

[Genestho]

Cheers mate.

The only saviours of motorcyclists here I see are the motorcyclists of New Zealand. I don't expect Labour, Greens, NZ First, National or Act to do a damn thing out of the kindness of their heart for us. We must help ourselves.

Nail/Hammer/Head.

[riffer]

I just realised.

I sound like Katman.

[Genestho]

I just realised.

I sound like Katman.

Only gentler?

Hah! Of course, I would never have brought that to your attention
In essence that is a true sentence though on so many levels, assuming you don't already know it..

That being the case then IMO it stands to reason that there's plenty of room to ask for what 'WE' want.

[Smifffy]

So how many months is it reasonable to be expected to be patient before hearing something, anything?

[Smifffy]

So how many months is it reasonable to be expected to be patient before hearing something, anything?

OK, so probably not until after May at least...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/ja...o-flee-tsunami

Clearly doing research on the hazards of motorcycling in NZ eh?

[Bald Eagle]

OK, so probably not until after May at least...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/ja...o-flee-tsunami

Clearly doing research on the hazards of motorcycling in NZ eh?

One does need to take abroad view of these things.

[StoneY]

For a start there needs to be enough money to do anything with

Secondly, the council has had one singular meeting as yet - give us a break, how well do you all want it managed?

Cant just throw money around and say 'we are doing the work' there is a lot to be sorted out yet

[Bodir]

Response received from Mr Hipkins:

.... I'd suggest that if you want more info on what that group is up to, perhaps
you might like to get in touch with Brent? ...

So Brent, how about it then? What is the group up to?

[StoneY]

So Brent, how about it then? What is the group up to?

Well I tried teling the wider community with a pretty open, honest and fairly detailed post, but was told not to breach the official comms plan...there is a team on our council that own that duty, I am not one of them (sadly)
So I had to wipe out my posts content.

I CAN say more information will be avaialble soon... there is some new info on the ACC site
Our MSAC group will have it own website in the near future (thats no secret so no breaches with that tidbit methinks)
We have only met once since forming ... so bugger all to report tbh

Funny...I meet with Chris Hipkins tomorrow, lol.
Guess he may know more himself by lunchtime :P

[Smifffy]

Well I tried teling the wider community with a pretty open, honest and fairly detailed post, but was told not to breach the official comms plan...there is a team on our council that own that duty, I am not one of them (sadly)
So I had to wipe out my posts content.

That's the bit that bugs me really, it's not like they have replaced your open and honest report with anything, not even PC gobbeldegook.

I CAN say more information will be avaialble soon... there is some new info on the ACC site

http://www.acc.co.nz/search-results/...sUserText=msac

Edit:
Found something - 8 March sweet

http://www.acc.co.nz/search-results/...afety+advisory

http://www.acc.co.nz/PRD_EXT_CSMP/id...lowInterrupt=1

There's our man from the AA!

Our MSAC group will have it own website in the near future (thats no secret so no breaches with that tidbit methinks)
We have only met once since forming ... so bugger all to report tbh

Funny...I meet with Chris Hipkins tomorrow, lol.
Guess he may know more himself by lunchtime :P

Ask him if he knows the make-up of the working groups, for us eh?

[Smifffy]

For a start there needs to be enough money to do anything with

Secondly, the council has had one singular meeting as yet - give us a break, how well do you all want it managed?

Cant just throw money around and say 'we are doing the work' there is a lot to be sorted out yet

Wordpress, gmail and the use of this forum are all free. Right now I'd be interested in the agenda/minutes of that meeting.

I'd like to know the make up of the working groups, how many working groups there are, and what their broad objectives are. Edit: Also a contact for a member of the working groups, and a contact for enquiries.

As for money, have you already spent my $30?

If so, I'd also like to know what it was spent on.

Cheers

[StoneY]

Wordpress, gmail and the use of this forum are all free. Right now I'd be interested in the agenda/minutes of that meeting.

I'd like to know the make up of the working groups, how many working groups there are, and what their broad objectives are. Edit: Also a contact for a member of the working groups, and a contact for enquiries.

As for money, have you already spent my $30?

If so, I'd also like to know what it was spent on.

Cheers

FFS, just wait it will all be made public once the official websites up
And NO we aint spent your 30$ or my 90$ or my fiance's 30$ either....

There is already a shitload of info on how this works out there already, plenty on this website alone (although there is a lot of bullshit here too) and no, not ONE red cent of MSL money has yet been spent but ACC have spent quite a bit on getting it set up from the operational budget (which does NOT come from your MSL fee's) for the nintieth freaking time

As for your other queries, either wait for the official website or do as Rustic did and you might get the answers your seeking - I cant provide any of that information on Kiwibiker

[Smifffy]

FFS, just wait it will all be made public once the official websites up
And NO we aint spent your 30$ or my 90$ or my fiance's 30$ either....

There is already a shitload of info on how this works out there already, plenty on this website alone (although there is a lot of bullshit here too) and no, not ONE red cent of MSL money has yet been spent but ACC have spent quite a bit on getting it set up from the operational budget (which does NOT come from your MSL fee's) for the nintieth freaking time

As for your other queries, either wait for the official website or do as Rustic did and you might get the answers your seeking - I cant provide any of that information on Kiwibiker

Ok, calm down. It wasn't me that claimed there was a lack of money.

I have been told repeatedly that there is nothing yet to tell. I have also been told repeatedly that working groups have been established, and I have also asked about agenda and minutes. If these don't exist, I'd have to ask further questions about what is happening.

Why could not the comms group have read over your original post, run the censor's pen over it, endorsed it and released it?


The minister rushed out with the press release in early January. Things have happened since then.

We will wait, just not necessarily in silence.

[Ronin]

FFS, just wait it will all be made public once the official websites up
And NO we aint spent your 30$ or my 90$ or my fiance's 30$ either....

There is already a shitload of info on how this works out there already, plenty on this website alone (although there is a lot of bullshit here too) and no, not ONE red cent of MSL money has yet been spent but ACC have spent quite a bit on getting it set up from the operational budget (which does NOT come from your MSL fee's) for the nintieth freaking time

As for your other queries, either wait for the official website or do as Rustic did and you might get the answers your seeking - I cant provide any of that information on Kiwibiker

Settle Grettle.

Because if you don't settle and the Minister has the way you communicate on here bought to his attention (by say the media), then your ass wont even touch the ground on the way out the door and then your'e no use to anyone.

They may not say it to you, but Ministarial appointee's are expected to hold themselves to a higher standard.