Albany ACC check point (27 February)

[Big Dave]

Having a prepared (suitable) response to the ACC survey would be a great way to make a point.

The political organisations should draft one.

[nosebleed]

Having a prepared (suitable) response to the ACC survey would be a great way to make a point.

The political organisations should draft one.

Here 'tis...

If you're being told off for not wearing hi-vis, ask them how the fuck did they see you in time to pull you over?

Then explain it's because they were looking for you, and thus able to see you.
Therefore it's better to train drivers to be observant from the start of their learning to drive process, than to make bikers shell out more money on "protective" (a term used loosely here) clothing.

[James Deuce]

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Be all staunch and say 'fuck that' and ride off, but don't then come here a bitch about what ACC are doing, or that their plans are shit, if you cant spare 60 seconds from your busy day to have a quick chat on the roadside, hear what they have to say, and offer some ideas.

Are you mental? They're just going to do what they want to. They really, really, really don't give a shit about the answers you're giving unless they support the argument they're going to present to make hi-viz compulsory.

The best outcome from the questionnaire will be that Hi-Viz vests become compulsory.

The most likely outcome will be that the regs will be changed and you'll be fined and have points added to your license if you don't wear it and the ACC levy will go up to fund an "education" campaign and to pay for the "free" hi-viz vests they'll give out.

How you people can see what happened post-Bikoi and then sit back and believe that "they" are here to help you is beyond me.

They're not here to help you. You're a revenue stream. That's it. They want their cake and they want to eat it too. Jam levies up and stop you from having "accidents" and it's win/win for the government.

They're not here to help you.

[Timmeh:P]

18/21 here...

I was out riding with my partner who is learning to ride. We had just been in a car park practising low speed turns and manoeuvring and decided to go out towards Albany for a quick blat where we got stopped at this checkpoint.

I told the cop and ACC lacky that I disagree with their views on High Vis vests. As I see it, (and it has been mentioned a number of times) if a driver can't see my two very bright headlights, then a high vis vest ain't going to do shit.

What pissed me off more, is the fact all the car drivers are waved through and the bikers are made to feel like they are on display.... "Look at those bad bikers... they must have been doing something wrong!". We had passengers in cars yelling out at us if we had done something wrong! There is already a negative attitude towards anyone who rides on two wheels, this just makes it worse.

Why can't the checkpoint ALSO warn drivers to be vigilant and look out for bikes. Also make it a breath testing spot while they are at it.

The police officer even said to me that 99% of motorcycle accidents he attends it is the DRIVERS fault, they did not see the biker. So shouldn't they be educating the car drivers to be more vigilant?!!?

[avgas]

Having a prepared (suitable) response to the ACC survey would be a great way to make a point.
The political organisations should draft one.

I have mine sorted

Speed kills everyone. Don't go anywhere fast.

[Big Dave]

Which is why I said the Political Organisations should draft one.

[Genestho]

Keep in mind, there are always specifically targeted campaigns - fatigue, childs car seat checks to name a quick couple, Motorcyclists are not unique, just seems it at this point.

Which is why I said the Political Organisations should draft one.

My 2 cents...I'd agree with this stance BD, I'd see nothing wrong with a well thought out - professionally designed, with relevant sourced info, perhaps a "what we would like to see from these educational stops as Motorcyclists" and handed to the ACC representative/officer.

Stamp of approval from all relevant groups and logos to signify united approach and numbers, addressed to ACC/NZ Police/MOT, with a request for feedback from forms to appropriate organisation emails, or a blank space as optional extra for the stopee's comment/s and/or email addy?

This then surely gives all Motorcyclists view points consideration, the more knowledgable the viewpoint, rather than opinion - the better?

Would Magazines publish a 'cut out' copy?

Then Motorcyclists could keep for future use...

I could be wrong but it seems (and I have been advised) a lot of Govt agencies don't appear to have an understanding about Motorcycling related issues, apart from gathered statistics, but it's my personal opinion that they are trying, and there is further obligation to do so.

[Usarka]

I wonder if this safety vest will make them happy.....

camo_army_safety_vest.html

[Blinkwing]

17/21 out at Westgate the other day. Was like "wtf do the police want" :<

[Usarka]

Are the cops stopping you wearing safety vests?

If not, just ride passed and if they chase you say "Sorry mate I didn't see you".

[Big Dave]

Keep in mind, there are always specifically targeted campaigns - fatigue, childs car seat checks to name a quick couple, Motorcyclists are not unique, just seems it at this point.



My 2 cents...I'd agree with this stance BD, I'd see nothing wrong with a well thought out - professionally designed, with relevant sourced info, perhaps a "what we would like to see from these educational stops as Motorcyclists" and handed to the ACC representative/officer.

Stamp of approval from all relevant groups and logos to signify united approach and numbers, addressed to ACC/NZ Police/MOT, with a request for feedback from forms to appropriate organisation emails, or a blank space as optional extra for the stopee's comment/s and/or email addy?

This then surely gives all Motorcyclists view points consideration, the more knowledgable the viewpoint, rather than opinion - the better?

Would Magazines publish a 'cut out' copy?

Then Motorcyclists could keep for future use...

I could be wrong but it seems (and I have been advised) a lot of Govt agencies don't appear to have an understanding about Motorcycling related issues, apart from gathered statistics, but it's my personal opinion that they are trying, and there is further obligation to do so.

Kiwi Rider has donated a page to BRONZ every month for the last 10 years - to do with what they will. :-)

[swbarnett]

then giving you a score for what you where wearing and if ya bike was rego etc

How many points for knowing how to stay upright?

Probably none as ACC prefer morons in cotton wool than educated riders living life to the full.

[trailblazer]

i know that not all accidents are the bikers fault and that people in cars and trucks and even other motorcycles are the vechile at fault but if the minority of bikers stopped being fuckwits out on the road (speeding,passing on double yellow lines, passing in dangerous places and not allowing the car in front to see you etc just to name a few) then maybe we wouldn't have the issues we are having. The road is not a race track yet i would say that at least 50% of bikers treat it like one. I have been driving in my car in a line of traffic doing 110 ks while a group of bikers past the whole line of traffic at a heck of a lot quicker than we were travelling while cars were coming in the opposite direction. In my opinion that is who the police and acc are targeting but to get them they have to go through all of us. So if you don't want to have a we chat with acc and the police and you want our acc levies to drop then all we have to do is ride sensibly. My 2c

[sunhuntin]

At risk of being abused by service station people on here, all of whom I am sure are on to it intellegent people. Some of these friggen upstarts need a good kick up the thingy

I rarely hit a bad one mind, even travelling around. Sometimes the local Mobil employs dicks, the last one they employed has put me off ever going there agin for fuel.

Mind you, pay peanuts get starved monkeys.

now now, i did nearly 3 years at bp and am certainly not an upstart, lol. the only time my customers didnt come first was when a certain Grub called in to say hi.

[Blackshear]

14/21
-4 for no license on hand
-4 for no fluro
Can't remember what the 1 came from.

On second thought. How the fuck is not holding a license on your persons going to stop a car/van/truck/bike/magpie from tearing you asunder?