Highway Biker
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The instructions are simple...
Speed variance - the perfect argument for dropping the 70kph 6L condition. Which is in the pipeline, thankfully.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Thread Killer
Interesting, but speed variance is clearly not considered an issue in NZ, in my experience.
Several times in the last year or so I have been in looong lines of traffic traveling 20 - 30 km/h below the speed limit between Tauranga and Te Puke. On 3 occasions there has been a police car near the front of the cue and they have sat there happily plodding along like this for 10 minutes or so.
I have spoken to a Police officer about this issue and his reply was "its ok because people traveling at that speed dont cause accidents"
The instructions are simple...
If they were 'all' doing it, where was the variance?
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Thread Killer
Every vehicle that came up to the back of the cue. No doubt if the popo hadnt been part of the cue there would have been a lot more speed variance with people attempting to pass.Originally Posted by MSTRS
Hardcore Biker
which leads to the issue of 30k signs at roadworks on 100k roads, usually with no evidence of any obstruction. Big enough speed difference for ya.
god help you if a cop sees you going through those because at 60k you will lose your license
The instructions are simple...
71+ actually...
But on that subject, why do we find roadworks that are all but finished (just the lines to paint) or a patch repair in one wheeltrack of one lane, marked at 30kph. But then come across one where the seal is gone and there's just loose, uncompacted basecourse, and that fucker is marked at 70kph?
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Forum whore
81+ actually - the loss of licence limit is raised to 50kph over in a temporary speed zone.
Don't ask how I know.
Hardcore Biker
thats good to know as i have always thought and have been told that it was double the temporary speed posted so if posted at 30 if you were doing 61 your licence is gone. Dunno how my theory works in a 70k temporary posted area though.81+ actually - the loss of licence limit is raised to 50kph over in a temporary speed zone.
Don't ask how I know.
Bogeyman
It is. It's just that the traffic engineers that actually do know about statistical modeling for safety get over-ridden by local bodies and other "authorities" that know fuck all about it.
It's difficult to argue that increasing speed limits will make a road safer, (because you're often arguing with fuckwits) but it's often perfectly correct. In fact the 85% rationale described in the link is not quite correct, 85% of the mean unrestricted speed is simply the control datum, the safest speed is usually a bit higher than that.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Double shot!!
Except that "tailgating, illegal passing and congestion" aren't really concepts associated with motorcycling.
"I am a licenced motorcycle instructor, I agree with dangerousbastard, no point in repeating what he said."
"read what Steve says. He's right."
"What Steve said pretty much summed it up."
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Forum whore
Really????
In the riders seat
He's a lot dumber than he sounds
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
Hardcore Biker
"Exceeding the posted speed limit, in and of itself, is not the whole story. The variance in speed created by lower speed limits is more likely to create conflicts and hazards."
All seam pretty obvious to me !
maybe I should get a job in tranzit
Double shot!!
Overtaking law, theory, and practice for bikes are totally different to cars. Illegal passing isn't illegal when you can just slip past a car sharing its lane or taking only 300mm of white line. Enormous power/weight ratio means passing is trivial. Even passing on yellows or even double yellows is completely legal providing they are not crossed - concepts foreign to car drivers.
Why would a motorcycle tailgate any vehicle when he/she can pass so trivially?
Why would a motorcyclist permit a vehicle to tailgate in a dangerous or intimidating fashion when he/she could simply overtake the vehicle in front and dispense with the problem?
All of the above completely deal to the congestion issue.
"I am a licenced motorcycle instructor, I agree with dangerousbastard, no point in repeating what he said."
"read what Steve says. He's right."
"What Steve said pretty much summed it up."
"I did axactly as you said and it worked...!!"
"Wow, Great advise there DB."
WTB: Hyosung bikes or going or not.
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