Crown accounts $14bn worse off

[onearmedbandit]

- national spending on what? benefits? BMW's?
some of the corporates here make the govt spending look like chump change

What's your point? Either they are or are not in charge of national spending.

- law and order? You mean like police? the courts? Funny I remember paying both of them separately. I also remember that many in the know here wiggle their way right past govt here too

So the police and courts are not government provided services? Whatcorporation runs them please?

- Education. So those kids that couldn't go to school cos there were no teachers. That was all the govt doing right? NCEA vs International based testing.....

Once again, could you please tell me who runs the education department?

- Health Policy.......your kidding right. After all the BS that happened ACC over past few years.

What private sector corporation runs the Health Dept then?

You may note that pretty much all those elements have private sector components too.

Wait, so you're now saying that they are all things under the governments control, just with private sector input?

Oh and I suppose if you were in charge you would've held off on replacing the fleet of BMW's? Nice call, watch the bottom drop right out of them only to then have to pay a lot more to 'trade-up'. Nice forward thinking there...

[SPman]

Did they, when exactly and what did they do specifically ,I dont recall this?

Muldoon 1984 ...something along the lines of "they (Labour) can promise all they like, but there's nothing left to spend"

[The Stranger:Me]

Ahhh, KB at its finest, or is it just the Kiwi way , because you haven't done it, you are incapable and know feck all about feck all... and I see you missed the "this isn't an oh this is how it should be done, I am after all inexperienced" bit , I can't say i'm surprised ... heh, nope, would eat it all before the kids did.

I'm going to go out on a limb here again - That was English right?

You're cynical . True, but i'm assuming that as the unemployement rate didn't go through the roof, yes it went up, but as it didn't through the roof and that govt doesn't subsidise private enterprise , then I pretty much stand by my assertion.

Please tell me you do realise why unemployment hasn't gone through the roof?

[mashman]

I'm going to go out on a limb here again - That was English right?

Yes it was, try to keep up old boy ...

You said

KB at it's finest - you've already admitted you've never been there, yet you have all the answers. You're not an icecream vendor by chance are you?

and I replied

Ahhh, KB at its finest, or is it just the Kiwi way, because you haven't done it, you are incapable and know feck all about feck all... and I see you missed the "this isn't an oh this is how it should be done, I am after all inexperienced" bit , I can't say i'm surprised ... heh, nope, would eat it all before the kids did.

I'll translate for ya, see if you get it this time

KB at it's finest - you've already admitted you've never been there

Ahhh, KB at its finest, or is it just the Kiwi way, because you haven't done it, you are incapable and know feck all about feck all

yet you have all the answers

So i highlighted that you had missed, or more likely ignored, the answer from my previous post, that was in answer to your question, where you were answering my question with a question (the avoidance method i've come to know and roar with laughter at), and my resultant post which highlighted that I had already explained that I didn't have all of the answers, hence:

and I see you missed the "this isn't an oh this is how it should be done, I am after all inexperienced" bit , I can't say i'm surprised.

You're not an icecream vendor by chance are you?

heh, nope, would eat it all before the kids did.

Hope that helps old boy?

Please tell me you do realise why unemployment hasn't gone through the roof?

Not a clue. Do you?

[The Stranger:Me]

where you were answering my question with a question (the avoidance method i've come to know and roar with laughter at),


Hope that helps old boy?

Yes it helps a lot thank you.
I had doubts that you really were as thick as you make out in your posts.
My questions were probing to clarify this point.
You have now removed any doubts.
You will note that I answered you questions and asked other questions as an adjunct to the answers.

I could go out on a limb here again - but I'm confident I know just what the roaring laughter is.

[/QUOTE]

Not a clue.

Why am I not surprised?
(You will note I have neatly separated the question this time from the answer to make it less confusing for you. Nice huh)

Do you?

Yes thanks.

I'll paraphrase.
OAB says - TV3 could use some help because of a recession. (without which unemployment would rise)
You say - "recession my ass" (contrary to the official definition of a recession and self confessed with no experience may I add)
Oscar - calls bullshit
You say - I know it, I can prove it. There's no recession because unemployment is not high.

Hope that helps old boy?

[The Stranger:Me]

or is it just the Kiwi way , because you haven't done it, you are incapable and know feck all about feck all.

I didn't imply you are incapable because you haven't done it.
I implied you were incapable because of glaringly obvious deficiencies in your knowledge.
I sought to clarify if these gaps in your knowledge were plugged with experience.


If you like I can paraphrase that one for you too.

[mashman]

Yes it helps a lot thank you.
I had doubts that you really were as thick as you make out in your posts.
My questions were probing to clarify this point.
You have now removed any doubts.

You're Welcome.
We have done this dance before... you should have gone with your original findings and saved yourself the trouble. But thanks for the second chance, it means a lot.
They were probing questions. Damn i'm thicker than I thought... but I guess thats par for the course.
Are you sure? I mean, you're not going to try this a third time?

You will note that I answered you questions and asked other questions as an adjunct to the answers.

Some call it avoidance. But I should have known better... given that you don't see things in black and red, or is that red and black... meh.

I could go out on a limb here again - but I'm confident I know just what the roaring laughter is.

And now you can read minds... no doubt I'd have to have a mind to read first , but in this case I can pretty much guarantee that your confidence is misplaced.

Why am I not surprised?
(You will note I have neatly separated the question this time from the answer to make it less confusing for you. Nice huh)

You're probably not surprised, because your opener for this exchange had already confirmed your suspicions.
(Unnecessary, but thanks, your English is fine)

Yes thanks.

I'll paraphrase.
OAB says - TV3 could use some help because of a recession. (without which unemployment would rise)
You say - "recession my ass" (contrary to the official definition of a recession and self confessed with no experience may I add)
Oscar - calls bullshit
You say - I know it, I can prove it. There's no recession because unemployment is not high.

So your paraphrasing is based on:

yeah, if in doubt, blame the recession ... i'm not saying it doesn't have knock on effects, but i'm in a recession and i don;t get any relief on my bills... fortunately I saved up for a rainy day... perhaps business should try that rainy day thing instead of syphoning the profits off for bonuses and exorbitant salaries? Recession my ass, plenty of businesses are making it through the tough times, and not all, not even close, are suckling at the govt tit.

True, but i'm assuming that as the unemployement rate didn't go through the roof, yes it went up, but as it didn't through the roof and that govt doesn't subsidise private enterprise , then I pretty much stand by my assertion.

So, "I know it", where did i say that? "I can prove it", where did i say that? "There's no recession", where did i say that? Paparaphrasing you say... Looking at what I had previously written, i'd say your paraphrasing is a bit of a stretch, and when i say a bit, i mean a bit as in, I hope you wouldn't enter a court room with evidence like that, especially if someones life was on the line.

Hope that helps old boy?

It's certainly confirmed a few things . Thanks.

I didn't imply you are incapable because you haven't done it.
I implied you were incapable because of glaringly obvious deficiencies in your knowledge.
I sought to clarify if these gaps in your knowledge were plugged with experience.

Paraphrasing...

... you need to know what you're doing before you can actually do it? Then I'm not surprised business is what it is today if that's the mantra of the business world. They have nothing to learn because they know it all!

In which case that takes us full circle to a small matter of $14 billion of Crown debt and $43 million of unpaid licence fees... v's my debt, my mortgage... yes as hard as it may seem to believe, I have paid for everything that I own (apart from the house), can the Crown or TV3 say the same? After all, one of them has their fingers in EVERY pie in the country, and the other is 50% of an industry... They have by far larger revenue streams than I could ever hope for, yet they are hugely in debt. Perhaps you should have a chat with them, ya know, give them the benefit of your obvious experience and teach them how to run a successful business. Much better you doing it than I, wouldn't you say. Doh, sorry, forgot there's a recession on , perhaps if they had have saved for a rainy day.................

I implied you were incapable because of glaringly obvious deficiencies in your knowledge.
I sought to clarify if these gaps in your knowledge were plugged with experience.

If they were glaringly obvious, why seek such an indepth clarification?

If you like I can paraphrase that one for you too.

Please do, I can hardly contain myself. Although I'm confident that that is beneath you.

[The Stranger:Me]

You're Welcome.
We have done this dance before... you should have gone with your original findings and saved yourself the trouble. But thanks for the second chance, it means a lot.
They were probing questions. Damn i'm thicker than I thought... but I guess thats par for the course.
Are you sure? I mean, you're not going to try this a third time?



Some call it avoidance. But I should have known better... given that you don't see things in black and red, or is that red and black... meh.



And now you can read minds... no doubt I'd have to have a mind to read first , but in this case I can pretty much guarantee that your confidence is misplaced.



You're probably not surprised, because your opener for this exchange had already confirmed your suspicions.
(Unnecessary, but thanks, your English is fine)



So your paraphrasing is based on:





So, "I know it", where did i say that? "I can prove it", where did i say that? "There's no recession", where did i say that? Paparaphrasing you say... Looking at what I had previously written, i'd say your paraphrasing is a bit of a stretch, and when i say a bit, i mean a bit as in, I hope you wouldn't enter a court room with evidence like that, especially if someones life was on the line.



It's certainly confirmed a few things . Thanks.



Paraphrasing...

... you need to know what you're doing before you can actually do it? Then I'm not surprised business is what it is today if that's the mantra of the business world. They have nothing to learn because they know it all!

In which case that takes us full circle to a small matter of $14 billion of Crown debt and $43 million of unpaid licence fees... v's my debt, my mortgage... yes as hard as it may seem to believe, I have paid for everything that I own (apart from the house), can the Crown or TV3 say the same? After all, one of them has their fingers in EVERY pie in the country, and the other is 50% of an industry... They have by far larger revenue streams than I could ever hope for, yet they are hugely in debt. Perhaps you should have a chat with them, ya know, give them the benefit of your obvious experience and teach them how to run a successful business. Much better you doing it than I, wouldn't you say. Doh, sorry, forgot there's a recession on , perhaps if they had have saved for a rainy day.................



If they were glaringly obvious, why seek such an indepth clarification?



Please do, I can hardly contain myself. Although I'm confident that that is beneath you.

Well there it is. Living proof of why I shouldn't argue with an idiot.

[avgas]

Not a clue. Do you?

I was told unemployment figures don't cover the following:
- Sick
- Locked up
- Permanent Visitors (Overstayers, Refugees....etc)

I figure there is a few % there.......

[avgas]

What's your point? Either they are or are not in charge of national spending.

So the police and courts are not government provided services? Whatcorporation runs them please?

Once again, could you please tell me who runs the education department?

What private sector corporation runs the Health Dept then?

Wait, so you're now saying that they are all things under the governments control, just with private sector input?

My point that national spending is not where decision are usually made, and if they are.....its because someone outside the govt had some leverage on the issue.

Cops - well you will have to ask them who draws up their quota's. However I will let you have that one, as in that scenario private/public doesn't matter.......its always "the police vs ______" never the people....

Govt clearly doesn't run school - otherwise kids would have been taught when the teachers were on strike. Or heaven forbid the strike would not have happened.

BMW thing.....didn't get ya.......All I was saying was it was a pretty important decision for them, they even argued over it for weeks. For the rest of us......erm not so much.

But yep you got my point. But I would not be so bold to say ALL......... just most.
But its not all bad - I mean we did get Benmore and a few other things out of it. But i can't help but feel we have a bit to many Politicians for the few decisions they do make.