Ken Ring's predicted earthquake for 20 March?

[Maha]

Has John's production team been in contact yet ?

I declined on the grounds that it was to easy.

[Fatt Max]

All this 'Ring' and 'moon' stuff flying about, sounds like this geezer is pulling everything out of his arse

[schrodingers cat]

Mr ring was created by a venal and self serving media.
I have no love for John Campbell but will say he wasn't the only one. Why do they keep him in the news? Answer - Build them up and knock them down.

For those outside of ChCh is is difficult for you to put the shaking in perspective.
Our house is on a large intersection leading to the tunnel/port.
When trucks brake at the lights the house moves a little - it always has.
The earthquakes have taught me that that that movement is about the same as a 3.0 - 3.5

It isn't bullshit and bravado when people say it take a 5.0+ to get your attention.

Otherwise you'd go crazy running all the time

[pzkpfw]

Mr ring was created by a venal and self serving media.
I have no love for John Campbell but will say he wasn't the only one. Why do they keep him in the news? Answer - Build them up and knock them down. ...

Your own signature is interesting, though...

Embrace ignorance and suspersition! It saves you having to think at all

...and may explain why "actual people" (outside the media) follow the ravings of Ken Ring.

You are having your cake and eating it too.

[oneofsix]

Mr ring was created by a venal and self serving media.
I have no love for John Campbell but will say he wasn't the only one. Why do they keep him in the news? Answer - Build them up and knock them down.

This is the same John Campbell that was getting lambasted for not giving this Ken Ring guy a fair go and for rubbishing Mr Ring's ideas?
I'm not a fan of John Campbell but in this case it wasn't his fault. He was trying to bring some perspective to the damage other media and Ring-a-ding ding were doing

At least the skeptics stood by their disbelieve in the Moon Man
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/new...im-at-Moon-Man

[scissorhands]

...........some perspective to the damage other media and Ring-a-ding ding were doing[/url]

.....but he predicts damage from storms and weather, thats his job in life. The market has responded and he earns a good living thanks to farmers, surfers, and fishermen who are closely connected to the seasons and see actual truth in his prediction work, which is only repackaged common knowledge for those that appreciate the moons influence, and consider its effects when throwing a party by the moon.

The only damage Ring is liable for, would be to egos carrying narrow incomplete views and understandings of celestial forces

[oldrider]

It was interesting listening to the Christchurch "wizard" berating "Ken Ring" on TV!

Chicken Little is alive and well in New Zealand it seems.

[Pixie]

Unfortunately NZ Scientists merely toe the conservative line until some overseas research is safely proven - too afraid to investigate new ideas.

I use "new" loosely tidal earthquake triggering has been hypothesized for over 100 years:

Strong Earth Tides Can Trigger Earthquakes, UCLA Scientists Report

ScienceDaily (Oct. 22, 2004) — Earthquakes can be triggered by the Earth's tides, UCLA scientists confirmed Oct. 21 in Science Express, the online journal of Science. Earth tides are produced by the gravitational pull of the moon and the sun on the Earth, causing the ocean's waters to slosh, which in turn raise and lower stress on faults roughly twice a day. Scientists have wondered about the effects of Earth tides for more than 100 years. (The research will be published in the print version of Science in November.)
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"Large tides have a significant effect in triggering earthquakes," said Elizabeth Cochran, a UCLA graduate student in Earth and space sciences and lead author of the Science paper. "The earthquakes would have happened anyway, but they can be pushed sooner or later by the stress fluctuations of the tides."

"Scientists have long suspected the tides played a role, but no one has been able to prove that for earthquakes worldwide until now," said John Vidale, UCLA professor of Earth and space sciences, interim director of UCLA's Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, and co-author of the paper. "Earthquakes have shown such clear correlations in only a few special settings, such as just below the sea-floor or near volcanoes."

"There are many mysteries about how earthquakes occur, and this clears up one of them," Vidale said. "We find that it takes about the force arising from changing the sea level by a couple of meters of water to noticeably affect the rate of earthquakes. This is a concrete step in understanding what it takes to set off an earthquake."

Cochran, Vidale and co-author Sachiko Tanaka are the first researchers to factor in both the phase of the tides and the size of the tides, and are using calculations of the effects of the tides more accurate than were available just three years ago. Tanaka is a seismologist with Japan's National Research Institute for Earth Science and Disaster Prevention.

Cochran and Vidale analyzed more than 2,000 earthquakes worldwide, magnitude 5.5 and higher, which struck from 1977 to 2000. They studied earthquakes in "subduction zones" where one tectonic plate dives under another, such as near the coasts of Alaska, Japan, New Zealand and western South America. "These earthquakes show a correlation with tides because along continent edges ocean tides are strong," Vidale said, "and the orientation of the fault plane is better known than for faults elsewhere."

Cochran conducted a statistical analysis of the earthquakes and tidal stress data, using state-of-the-science tide calculations from Tanaka and the best global earthquake data, which came from Harvard seismologists. This research follows up on a 2002 study by Tanaka. The current research was funded by the National Science Foundation and the Laurence Livermore National Laboratory.

Cochran and Vidale found a strong correlation between when earthquakes strike and when tidal stress on fault planes is high, and the likelihood of these results occurring by chance is less than one in 10,000, Cochran said. They found that strong tides impose enough stress on shallow faults to trigger earthquakes. If the tides are very large, more than two meters, three?quarters of the earthquakes occur when tidal stress acts to encourage triggering, she found. Fewer earthquakes are triggered when the tides are smaller.

In California, and in fact in most places in the world, the correlation between earthquakes and tides is considerably smaller, Vidale said. In California, tides may vary the rate of earthquakes at most one or two percent; the overall effect of the tides is smaller, he said, because the faults studied are many miles inland from the coast and the tides are not particularly large.

[Pixie]

I had to deal with though was a woman who has had to stay with her daughter for a couple of weeks now as she (the daughter) has been suicidal because she thought the world was going to end on the 20th.

Just tell her to wait till the 20th and save herself the trouble,pills,bullet etc.

[The Stranger:Me]

Ken (moon man) Ring predicted another large earthquake to strike Christchurch today, the day that the moon reaches perigee, or the closest point to earth. His reasoning is that the additional gravitational pull will cause the fault to slip again causing another massive earthquake.

Well, perigee occurred at 08:09 this morning, and at 08:57 there was a 3.1 aftershock in Christchurch. Ok so it was only 1/30000 the strength of what could be considered massive. So was he right or not?

I noticed this thread went very quiet after the 5.1 last night.
You guys still ok down there?

Got to say, looks like a win to Ken Ring.

I'd be too ashamed to admit to being a geologist (or a skeptic for that matter). I mean, It's your job, but you don't even know where the fuck the fault lines are and someone is better at predicting shit in your field of "expertise" with a fucking cat's paw. Seriously, what fucken use are they?

[marie_speeds]

very quiet after the 5.1 last night

You spying on me or something?



Must remember to turn webcam off

[AllanB]

Mr ring was created by a venal and self serving media.
It isn't bullshit and bravado when people say it take a 5.0+ to get your attention.

Otherwise you'd go crazy running all the time

Well said. I don't even bother moving now - possibly a bad move as if a good-un comes through I'll be on my chair, couch, whatever riding it out.

And there was a bit of disappointment last night. Yes that sounds a bit sick but there has been such a build-up in CHCH of late over Mr Rings 20th comments that the 5.1 was a let-down. Expectations were so high even by everyone who knew better!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ken Ring's stats are about as meaningful as ACC's yet Nick Smith believes those fuckers...

beautifully put. I'd bling you x100 if I could

[motor_mayhem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9piUHudrDdA

Ring's theories have no real grounds.

http://www.sillybeliefs.com/ring.htm

nuff said

[HenryDorsetCase]

Unfortunately NZ Scientists merely toe the conservative line until some overseas research is safely proven - too afraid to investigate new ideas.

I didnt read the rest of your post because that sentence made me see red.

You are flat wrong. New Zealand geoscience is at the leading edge internationally. Something to do with living on shaky islands perhaps.