Rego on hold

[reemit]

It's just coz I'm a girlie swat.

Hi, do you mean girlie swat, swot, or S.W.A.T.? Need clarification for mental picture

[CookMySock]

I register. [...] I just can't justify being a Popo and not registering my personal bike, when the company registers my work one. Odd things, personal ethics.

Hrm it'd create a bit of a hassle upstairs if you started telling LEOs to shove their ticket for no rego up their ring while riding on yer day off. I can see that going down real good.

I can see all this going real pear-shaped for the govt actually. No one wants to pass over their money, the govt needs all the cash it can rake up, and I think theres gunna be a stand-off before long. I'm ready to be a part of it - no more little tax here and there.. With nine vehicles, thats 5k due just on rego, and I'm not gunna pay it. 3k maybe, 5k no, sorry.

[davereid]

I understand the sentiment. Every blimmin organisation is taking a chunk out of us and I agree it is unfair on motorcyclists without any doubt. The issue I have is when levies or taxes are not paid, the burden is shifted onto those that do pay by covering costs via increases in those levies, premiums and taxes. I'd just wish we had a Govt with balls enough to shift from direct to indirect taxation and allow us to choose what we do with our money more than currently allowed. It worked incredibly well in Ireland.

The ACC fees for bikers are beyond a joke and all because the way they have to cover their liabilities has changed.

I agree with you. Id would cheerfully pay the same as a car. But even then I think it is too high.

To me, if the system is "no fault" then all users should pay the same.

Or if you include fault, then you must say "bikers are responsible for 50% of their accidents, and car drivers responsible for 99% of their accidents"

If you include liability, then you must say "Bikers hurt themselves, and have little third part liability, but cars drivers have extensive third party risk"

I cant really see any reason to charge bikes more, except vulnerability.

And I don't like the idea that we tax the vulnerable, just because they are vulnerable.

[Usarka]

Odd things, personal ethics.

I'd agree if I thought the ACC levies were ethical.

[Pixie]

You may want to check with your insurance company. They may have a clause stating it must be registered (there will be one stating it must be warranted).

Just in case there is a technicality for them to grasp at.

Be a bloody waste of $200 if you get caught!

I wonder what would happen if every rider said F-it I'm not paying rego. Probably just earn the Govt. more in fines as there would be a blitz on bikes.

There is a difference between Vehicle registration and Vehicle licensing.

"Registration is the process where we add a vehicle’s details to the Motor Vehicle Register and issue its registration plates. Vehicle licensing is where you pay a regular fee to use your vehicle on public roads. The fee helps to pay for roading projects and road safety programmes. Your vehicle must be both registered and licensed for you to legally drive it on the road."

[Pixie]

I'd just wish we had a Govt with balls enough to shift from direct to indirect taxation and allow us to choose what we do with our money more than currently allowed. It worked incredibly well in Ireland.

The ACC fees for bikers are beyond a joke and all because the way they have to cover their liabilities has changed.

I just wish we had a population that had balls enough to stand up for the right not to be discriminated against.

[Toaster]

I just wish we had a population that had balls enough to stand up for the right not to be discriminated against.

Very true. We see many in the UK fighting back against public service cuts, massive unrest in the middle east and north africa. People taking on and protesting against rulers out of step with the will of the people.

We keep bending over and letting them do it to us. That is also a large part of why our wage to costs ratio sucks so much in NZ. Soft target, higher margins.... we just go quietly.

[chasio]

See http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...nlicensed-cars

From the article:

"If drivers got 100 or more demerit points within two years, they would be suspended from driving for three months. The current penalty is $200, which will reduce to $150 but with 20 demerit points.

From May 1 the NZ Transport Agency could require people to surrender licence plates when putting their licensing on hold."

And

"The new penalties applied only to those tickets served personally by a police officer.

Police would continue to give a person, ticketed for the first time with an unlicensed car, a two-week grace period to licence their vehicle before any penalties applied."

No grace period for bikes or just lazy reporting? I pick the latter.

[CookMySock]

I just wish we had a population that had balls enough to stand up for the right not to be discriminated against.

Bring it muthah! Be part of the solution.

Next time they give you the bill for some little misdemeanor (cough I mean heinous crime against society), tell them to roll their infringement notice up and smoke it.

To me, if the system is "no fault" then all users should pay the same.

But what if they put the price up everywhere? And then, what if every month they introduce some new fee, or some other activity that you can be fined for? When does it end? That one person is charged more than the next is just an excuse to put the lower fee up again - it's a trick retailers use all the time - they just keep stepping one price over the next while drawing attention to the lower one.

[davereid]

See http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...nlicensed-cars

From the article:

"If drivers got 100 or more demerit points within two years, they would be suspended from driving for three months. The current penalty is $200, which will reduce to $150 but with 20 demerit points.

From May 1 the NZ Transport Agency could require people to surrender licence plates when putting their licensing on hold."

And

"The new penalties applied only to those tickets served personally by a police officer.

Police would continue to give a person, ticketed for the first time with an unlicensed car, a two-week grace period to licence their vehicle before any penalties applied."

No grace period for bikes or just lazy reporting? I pick the latter.

NZTA may also decline to let to put a bike on hold with the new rules as well, if you have flouted the law in the past.

[Murray]

In todays news

The New Zealand Superannuation Fund reported gains on its investment nearly $2.3 billion above forecast. ACC and the EQC also experienced gains on their investments of $788 million due to strong equity markets.

Also, ACC and GSF experienced favourable changes in claims and the discount rate to calculate the present value of the future expected payments.

Those two factors resulted in a gain for ACC of more than $1 billion, $1.9 billion higher than a forecast loss of $853 million, and a gain for GST of $288 million, $144 million higher than expected.

[Toaster]

Driving an unlicensed vehicle could soon see you banned from the road.
The fines for those driving unlicensed vehicles will be reduced and offenders instead handed demerit points, Transport Minister Steven Joyce has just announced.
He said the changes to vehicle licensing regulations will be a deterrent to those who try to dodge payment.
"We know there are people who would currently rather risk the fine than pay their licensing fees," Joyce said.
"That's unfair to other law-abiding motorists. Demerit points can act as a stronger deterrent than fines as repeat offenders will face the loss of their driver's licence."
If drivers got 100 or more demerit points within two years, they would be suspended from driving for three months. The current penalty is $200, which will reduce to $150 but with 20 demerit points.
From May 1 the NZ Transport Agency could require people to surrender licence plates when putting their licensing on hold. They could decline an application to put licensing on hold when a person had abused this right in the past.
"There is a segment of drivers and motorcyclists who put their vehicle licence on hold while continuing to drive their vehicle as a way of avoiding payment. These measures combined with the added threat of demerit points, send a strong message that the Government will not tolerate this," Joyce said.
"The largest segment of the licence fee is an ACC levy that covers the cost of road injuries. These people are on the road and face the same risks as the rest of us.''
The new penalties applied only to those tickets served personally by a police officer.
Police would continue to give a person, ticketed for the first time with an unlicensed car, a two-week grace period to licence their vehicle before any penalties applied.

Offence	Current penalty (will continue to apply when offence is enforced by a parking warden)	Planned new penalty (only for tickets personally served by a police officer)
Unregistered	$200	$150 plus 20 demerit points
No plates affixed	$200	$150 plus 20 demerit points
Driving while licence on hold	$200	$150 plus 20 demerit points
Unlicensed vehicle	$200	$100 plus 15 demerit points
Current licence label not affixed	$200	$75

[Toaster]

Question is.... will it change your behaviour with the new risk of demerits, or will you just carry on riding without a current rego?

Will be interesting to hear the results and whether those that break the law will just continue to do so anyway regardless of the demerits risk and run their chances (which I suspect they will).

[Oblivion]

This is all the more reason to make false rego labels. If you do it well enough, no one will notice

[Mokadah]

Ridiculous. I've been pulled over twice in four years, no rego check either time - and of course I've been a fully paid-up chump the whole time.

Upon hearing of this new discount I've just put the rego on hold.

The thing with handing in the licence plates, well, it'd be annoying if some bugger stole your plate and you had to pay the <$20 fee for a replacement.