Low road toll

**avgas** · 4th April 2011, 10:26

Low road toll aye...

Must be all the short bastards dying then

**scracha** · 4th April 2011, 15:47

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Why don't we just put foam mats around anything hard, wrap us all up in cotton wool, and restrict all vehicles to walking speed, cut down anything 100m either side of the road? that should stop shit loads of deaths and crashes. And after all that you will still get crashes.

Its called personal responsibly and is an topic that has gone back and forth since before I was here and I'm sure it will carry on well after I'm gone.

Yeah mate, you'd still get crashes but you'd also get less death and serious injuries. By your logic I assume you'd be as happy riding in shorts, jandals and put an 8" spike on your fuel tank. Your chances of getting killed are far higher but by god the personal responsibility message would hit home. You're still responsible for an accident if you come off the road.

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Which part of Scandinavia are you referring to and what the fuck does wealth have to to do with enlightenment?

Wealth has little to do with enlightenment, that's why I put it in brackets with a question mark.

Anyhoo....the country is Sweden and yes, they've cut down trees, posts etc and there's lots and lots of space next to their roads so you don't go splat if you have a wee woopsie. Actually, wealth may have something to do with their enlightened attitude as these measures probably costs a fuck load less than dealing with the mess afterwards like we do over here.

And why the fuck do you have to keep fucking swearing? It doesn't bring your fucking point across any fucking better.

**scumdog** · 4th April 2011, 16:48

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Where i agree with most of that, i still feel we have now become a nation of pass the blame.

You said a mouthful there bro!

The 21st century syndrome: "It's not my fault..."

**idb** · 4th April 2011, 16:50

Originally Posted by scumdog

You said a mouthful there bro!

The 21st century syndrome: "It's not my fault..."

Well it's certainly bloody well not mine!!!

**StoneY** · 4th April 2011, 17:10

Originally Posted by avgas

Low road toll aye...

Must be all the short bastards dying then

Huh? I'm still alive mate what you on about????

**MrKiwi** · 4th April 2011, 20:47

I do think the fuel price is a factor in the low road toll. But is is only one factor. And for those saying there are just as many people still on the roads interesting to hear that in Auckland and Wellington bus and train operators are reaching record levels of passenger movements, suggesting less people are driving on the roads.

Note I said 'suggesting', although I reckon that's a pretty sound assessment.

I've said it a couple of times in this thread and I will say it again, when the fuel price goes up and stays up there appears a corresponding trend of lower fatalities. This trend is observable in the USA, Australia and in European countries.

I also reckon with higher fuel prices we might see more motor bike and scooter sales again, just as we did in 2008. Wouldn't it be interesting if we see an increase in the sales of these and combined with a lower road toll...

**BoristheBiter** · 4th April 2011, 20:48

Originally Posted by scracha

Yeah mate, you'd still get crashes but you'd also get less death and serious injuries. By your logic I assume you'd be as happy riding in shorts, jandals and put an 8" spike on your fuel tank. Your chances of getting killed are far higher but by god the personal responsibility message would hit home. You're still responsible for an accident if you come off the road.
.

I really am lost for words. how do you come by this statement? where have i said anything to support this?

Yes i would be happy to ride about in shorts on a nice hot day, but i don't as I know if i come off its going to hurt so i protect myself, you know it's called personal responsibility.
I guess you are just part of the new breed of "it's not my fault".

Oh and i'll fucking swear if i like. If you don't like it go somewhere else.

**Pixie** · 5th April 2011, 11:33

Originally Posted by hiss

No way, the police have finally found the right mix of Speed Cameras, infringements, and advertising dollars spent to cause a reduction in the road toll.

They'll have to increase bookings to meet budget

**avgas** · 5th April 2011, 12:05

Originally Posted by StoneY

Huh? I'm still alive mate what you on about????

Sorry should have said
"Must be those that are shorter than normal, but not so stumpy that they fit underneath a bumper..."

**scracha** · 5th April 2011, 18:08

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

I really am lost for words. how do you come by this statement? where have i said anything to support this?

Err...your rant implying that improving roadside safety was a waste of time and we're all personally responsible, blah blah blah.

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Yes i would be happy to ride about in shorts on a nice hot day, but i don't as I know if i come off its going to hurt so i protect myself, you know it's called personal responsibility.
I guess you are just part of the new breed of "it's not my fault".

I really am lost for words. how do come by this statement.....etc etc.

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Oh and i'll fucking swear if i like. If you don't like it go somewhere else.

Never said I didn't fucking like it, I just don't see the fucking point of swearing like a trooper for no apparent reason. Unless I'm really really drunk of course.

**BoristheBiter** · 5th April 2011, 20:17

Originally Posted by scracha

Err...your rant implying that improving roadside safety was a waste of time and we're all personally responsible, blah blah blah.

I really am lost for words. how do come by this statement.....etc etc.

Never said I didn't fucking like it, I just don't see the fucking point of swearing like a trooper for no apparent reason. Unless I'm really really drunk of course.

1) It is and we are.

2) stop nicking my posts

3) i had had a few

**shrub** · 7th April 2011, 10:47

Originally Posted by pete376403

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/region...st-in-60-years

Suppose that trend is also happening around the country.

the Police will have no problem claiming the credit from this

Nah, piece of piss. "Police Minister Judith Collins says the increase in patronage of public transport is a direct result of government policies, especially the increase in registration costs, decrease in tolerance for speed meaning people are afraid to drive and the rise in unemployment meaning less people can afford to drive cars"

**MrKiwi** · 7th June 2011, 22:18

Thankfully no fatalities this holiday weekend, but what led to this. Police say the 4km/hr limit and good driving, the AA says high fuel costs making people drive better...

Which is it?

**bogan** · 7th June 2011, 22:26

Originally Posted by MrKiwi

Thankfully no fatalities this holiday weekend, but what led to this. Police say the 4km/hr limit and good driving, the AA says high fuel costs making people drive better...

Which is it?

None of the above, it's all down to us being in mantrol

My theory is the 4kmhr is more of an exercise in marketing than lowering the speed by 6kmhr. People hear about it and realise there will be more cops on the road also, so take a bit more care. I bet a permanent implementation would have no discernible effect. Mind you I don't think even the weekends of it has had any discernible effect either.