Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

[axdout]

22 pages of bitching about having to abide to the law of the land. The consequences of operating the vehicle with out it being registered is some demerit points. Boohoo. Purchase the rego and avoid the points. Seems pretty straight forward to me, then again I left school in 4th form so I'm not as well educated as some of the other posters.

[FJRider]

Here's the issue Tom.

It's only an issue to those that dont pay the fees ...

Govt decides to increase the ACC component on registration by an astronomical amount.

Motorcyclists respond by puttin an increasing amount of motorcycle registrations on hold.

OR ... not re-register ... AND ... in both cases ... continue to ride on the road ...

Income generated from relicencing (and corresponding, ACC levies) falls through the floor, to the point where they are actually getting less money than previously, while at the same time the amount of money they are forking out for motorcyclists remains more or less static.

Govt. decides this is not cool - something "has to be done" about the licensing fee issue. They speculate (without any real evidence) that the motorcyclists must be riding without registration.

I guess the increasing number of motorcyclists (and car drivers) getting fined due to no rego is not real evidence ...

They introduce demerits on unlicenced vehicles on road.

Police are charged with ensuring that more motorcycles are checked for licensing details.

They always have checked ... and appropriate fines given.(At the Officers descretion) Now ... with the introduction of demerits ..... loss of licence looming ... people moan.

People always were happy (sort of ) to pay the fines ... just $$$ lost ...

So, what you've got here is a situation where a person can lose their license for a non-payment of tax.

Non payment of taxes can result in losing your house ... a licence is minor by comparison ...

[StoneY]

It's only an issue to those that dont pay the fees ...

Not true, what about the guy whos collectors bike is on hold but he is heading off for a WOF so he can take it to the vintage rally next month, for which he may remove the hold?

OR ... not re-register ... AND ... in both cases ... continue to ride on the road ...

There is NO evidence in an increase of non registered bikes, I get the reports on this monthly my friend

I guess the increasing number of motorcyclists (and car drivers) getting fined due to no rego is not real evidence ...

There has been no such a rise, see above comment

They always have checked ... and appropriate fines given.(At the Officers descretion) Now ... with the introduction of demerits ..... loss of licence looming ... people moan.

The fine was appropriate, now they reduce it by 50$ but add 20 demerits, to get 20 demerits while speeding you have to be 20-25kmh over the speed limit, so yes we are moaning and rightly so

People always were happy (sort of ) to pay the fines ... just $$$ lost ...

Ah but the justification given is shown under the OIA docs I have read, where one minister tells another 'the number of motorcycles now on hold has caused a shortfall in our projected revenue what can we do' the answer from the transport minister was 'Police have suggested demerits are an effective deterrent' which, there is no statistical or factual evidence AT ALL that demerits work as a deterrent, they are a punitive measure.
Add DM's for lack of WOF by all means, that's not a tax collection

Non payment of taxes can result in losing your house ... a licence is minor by comparison ...

Fair point, but again, demerits are a punitive measure and this is not appropriate use of them IMO and the opinion of many others....
I hear you about paying the fee or not using the road but I keep two bikes fully legal, only one I have on hold is being sold and sitting at TSS Red Baron....
I still see this as a direct tax collection issue and do not see why the Police should have to enforce it with demerits, risking your license over a minor tax.

I know the MSL fund is less than expected because of the trend. but what did they expect?
Hundreds of multi bike owners who used to pay all year round are now forced to be frugal with their coin, there is NOT ONE shred of evidence that an increase in non registered bikes being ridden is occurring, prove me wrong if you have the data..... most are just using one bike only now.

And again we come full circle to the fact National are trying to squeeze the next 25 years of ACC cover from one single year to make ACC attractive for sale, when they said pre election it would not be sold, and the pay as you go model WORKED perfectly fine...their plan to tripple the motorvehicle accounts income failed, we used a 'loophole' to ensure we can still eat steak as opposed to noodles and mince and we get demerit points for our troubles on an issue totally unrelated to safety


Wait till you see the guy on the news story Monday night. If conservative TV1 can see this as an injustice, well I am happy to agree with them

[riffer]

Okay... I'll elaborate further.

The government introduced extra punitive taxes on one particular part of society based on erroneous data and ideological principles.

It didn't work.

So now they are forcing the police to be their legislative agents.

If the Police start pulling over EVERY motorcyclist to check regos how long will it be before motorcyclists get sick of it.

How many times will you have to be pulled over for checks before you start considering not pulling over?

I consider it similar to the TSA in the United States.

Of course, if you obey EVERY law you don't have to be worried do you?

And being pulled over repeatedly, which tends to border on prevention of free passage (even though it's legal), to check on tax payment, does tend to continue to the erosion of mana the Police are continually facing

[StoneY]

Bugger Riffer...I run out of bling mate...........

[bogan]

Well put riffer. And in situation when us sheeple disagree with the gubbermint's plans, the way I see it we have three main options.

Get them to change it directly.
Kick up such a fuss with non compliance that they decide it needs to be changed.
Non participation.

We tried the first and while we made some progress, it isn't enough, so people are trying the others. Good on them I reckon.

[riffer]

Bugger Riffer...I run out of bling mate...........

Beer in the fridge is nice and cold by now mate.

[riffer]

Well put riffer. And in situation when us sheeple disagree with the gubbermint's plans, the way I see it we have three main options.

Get them to change it directly.
Kick up such a fuss with non compliance that they decide it needs to be changed.
Non participation.

We tried the first and while we made some progress, it isn't enough, so people are trying the others. Good on them I reckon.

Absolutely bogan. And what concerns me in particular is how some may choose the third option.

You create a law that the public won't follow. Then you turn the police into blackshirts. Sounds like a recipe for civil disobedience to me.

[StoneY]

Beer in the fridge is nice and cold by now mate.

Oooooooo...mmmmmm home brew........ raining....home brew....raining...... (looks over at coat rack to see whats there)

Might just take you up on that mate...................

[riffer]

No worries. Its just me and Nicky here or else I'd pick you up.

[Ocean1]

Okay... I'll elaborate further.

Succinct.

Entirely correct.

And blingable.

[yachtie10]

I hate to agree with Stoney and riffer but have to in this case

(except for anti national conspiracy theory that is)

[bsasuper]

Pah, there has to be a shitload of 'circumstances' to get to 100 demerits.

Fuckin' whinging slow-learners...

Thought I might get a reply like this

It seams you have been conditioned from being in "that" job for a length of time.

You dont dont seam to get the big picture of life, anyway each to his own

[FJRider]

Thought I might get a reply like this

It seams you have been conditioned from being in "that" job for a length of time.

You dont dont seam to get the big picture of life, anyway each to his own

Time you looked at the big picture through HIS windows ...

[scumdog]

Thought I might get a reply like this

It seams you have been conditioned from being in "that" job for a length of time.

You dont dont seam to get the big picture of life, anyway each to his own

Mwahahahaa...boom-tish!!

And THAT was perzackly the response I was expecting, well done!