Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

[Max Preload]

soo, bikers can get fucked by having to pay unreasonable and unfair levies, and they can get doublke fucked if they dare challenge the brainless idiots behind such ideas, and protest by not paying their rego. cunts.

The idea behind it is to force their will on you with you having no way to effectively challenge the morality of it. It works well in a country as apathetic as ours. The typical response is Grumble. Grumble. Pay up. Forget about it.. Nobody gets angry enough any more. More civil disobedience is needed.

I haven't paid the cunts a cent for 7 years and I won't be starting any time soon either. They can sing for it.

[FJRider]

Depends if you're having to pay for parking... and what your time is worth sitting in traffic.

Considering the cost of car tyres ... and how long they last on a small car. Most servicing costs are cheaper... and if all day parking is needed ... look around for (long-term) places near your work. Most are just too lazy to look.
Sitting in traffic is not that bad in the rain.

[axdout]

Talking and whinging= No result. A well co-ordinated attack on the sorrounding streets of eden park during every scheduled game of the rugby world cup, thus causing anarchy with all forms of transport and making the powers that be look even more spastic to international visitors than they already do= Possible reaction from government. Following what they have done in the middle east with mass congregations and rioting and shit= Gets results. (kind of last resort though). If you really cant afford multiple regos, and there are enough of you that don't like the legislation, organize the above, you will not get results any other way.

[bogan]

Considering the cost of car tyres ... and how long they last on a small car. Most servicing costs are cheaper... and if all day parking is needed ... look around for (long-term) places near your work. Most are just too lazy to look.
Sitting in traffic is not that bad in the rain.

For us, we treat a commuter car a lot differently to a bike, the bike gets good tyres, and rode somewhat more vigorously than econmically. If you compare cheap commuter bikes like the GN or hyo250 etc, and ride them to conserve feul etc, I think it likely the bikes would come out a lot cheaper (and there are bikers who do this). But there's not nearly as much fun in that, so we spend a bit more to get bigger bikes, sticky tyres, and keep em shiny instead

[bogan]

Talking and whinging= No result. A well co-ordinated attack on the sorrounding streets of eden park during every scheduled game of the rugby world cup, thus causing anarchy with all forms of transport and making the powers that be look even more spastic to international visitors than they already do= Possible reaction from government. Following what they have done in the middle east with mass congregations and rioting and shit= Gets results. (kind of last resort though). If you really cant afford multiple regos, and there are enough of you that don't like the legislation, organize the above, you will not get results any other way.

Trouble is half a dozen guys trying to block the streets then won't have any results either. Unless you have some plan to gather significant numbers?

Also, if there is enough 'talking and whinging' it may highlight the problem (for tptb) of so many unlicensed vehicle on the road, and motivate them to implement a fairer charging system. Enough 'talking and whinging' may even make the problem seem bigger than it is

[axdout]

Trouble is half a dozen guys trying to block the streets then won't have any results either. Unless you have some plan to gather significant numbers?

Also, if there is enough 'talking and whinging' it may highlight the problem (for tptb) of so many unlicensed vehicle on the road, and motivate them to implement a fairer charging system. Enough 'talking and whinging' may even make the problem seem bigger than it is

Of course it wouldn't work without significant numbers, but if there is really enough people that are so outraged about this, it should easily be accomplished. personally I don't see the problem with it. If you choose to have multiple toys, you should just pay the associated bills that come with them.

[FJRider]

For us, we treat a commuter car a lot differently to a bike, the bike gets good tyres, and rode somewhat more vigorously than econmically. If you compare cheap commuter bikes like the GN or hyo250 etc, and ride them to conserve feul etc, I think it likely the bikes would come out a lot cheaper (and there are bikers who do this). But there's not nearly as much fun in that, so we spend a bit more to get bigger bikes, sticky tyres, and keep em shiny instead

Commuter bikes are often weekend fun too ... and get better tyres, exaust systems, go-fast bits/bling ... etc than the average commute only bikes ...

Often bikes are summer only commuters. In minus 5 ...or pouring rain ... it's hard to leave home on the bike ...

[bogan]

Of course it wouldn't work without significant numbers, but if there is really enough people that are so outraged about this, it should easily be accomplished. personally I don't see the problem with it. If you choose to have multiple toys, you should just pay the associated bills that come with them.

Unfortunately apathy is a powerful adversary, organising such a thing is not as easy as you would like to think.
Who said they are toys, the current pricing system penalises any secondary form of transport. If you need a gas guzzler for transporting the kids/groceries etc, but want to have a greener or cheaper form of transport as well, you will be penalised. Surely tptb would prefer us to use lower impact transportation where possible?

Commuter bikes are often weekend fun too ... and get better tyres, exaust systems, go-fast bits/bling ... etc than the average commute only bikes ...

Often bikes are summer only commuters. In minus 5 ...or pouring rain ... it's hard to leave home on the bike ...

Exactly, using similar vehicles in different ways makes it difficult to compare mileages.

[FJRider]

Unfortunately apathy is a powerful adversary, organising such a thing is not as easy as you would like to think.
Who said they are toys, the current pricing system penalises any secondary form of transport. If you need a gas guzzler for transporting the kids/groceries etc, but want to have a greener or cheaper form of transport as well, you will be penalised. Surely tptb would prefer us to use lower impact transportation where possible?

Times are changing ... a few years back ... or less ... the "I wouldn't been seen dead in one of those" attitude prevailed ...

Now ... it's maybe ... "I might look at one of those" ...

The wallet bites ... opinions revised ... and if more people WONT ... it may be forced upon us ... by those we voted into (gave) the power of Goverment ...

Exactly, using similar vehicles in different ways makes it difficult to compare mileages.

Using the SAME vehicle in different ways makes it difficult to compare mileages too ...

[FJRider]

Trouble is half a dozen guys trying to block the streets then won't have any results either. Unless you have some plan to gather significant numbers?

A result ... but NOT the one they would be trying for ...

Also, if there is enough 'talking and whinging' it may highlight the problem (for tptb) of so many unlicensed vehicle on the road, and motivate them to implement a fairer charging system. Enough 'talking and whinging' may even make the problem seem bigger than it is

Changing Politicians' minds is like trying to tell a ... you were "only" 41 kms/hr over the limit ...

[Latte]

I haven't paid the cunts a cent for 7 years and I won't be starting any time soon either. They can sing for it.

It'd be interesting to tally up the cost of compliance over your entire driving/riding career and compare it to how much non compliance would have cost.

I know I've been pulled over once in the last 6 years. Thats ~$3000 in compliance, vs the possbile $200 ticket and 20 demerits.

[StoneY]

I have yet to hear any comment about the fine being half what it use to be for no rego
Or how the fine for using a vehicle while 'on hold' is only 75% of the old fine.

Wow it went sown by 50$ in exchange for 20 demerits...sorry dude this does not justify the fact a punitive traffic penalty has been allocated to a TAX issue and I repeat, I have seen an OIA rleease stating 'all these motorcycles on hold have caused a drop in projected revenue'....

No other vehicle type was mentioned in the discourse between the ACC Minister and the Transport Minister.
Fact

Case rested I'm out of here

[StoneY]

Update:

The TV news story has been delayed due to Dr Smiths announcement that the levys for house holders and workplaces is going to be reduced.
They're slightly re-working it and want further comment from a few of those they interviewed.

Hopefully it will be on tomorrow, but that's pends the editors and reporters getting stuff finalized

As we all know, there is no reduction on the motor vehicle levies being announced
Funny thing is motor vehicle related claims are the smallest outgoing they have to pay out according to the annual report at less than 2% of the overall outgoings. Yet they make up about 5-6% of the income....

Lets see what spin the TV crew put on this whole situation tomorrow (if it airs when expected)

[rphenix]

And if all money that should be paid ... was ... perhaps the ACC levies may not have needed to be increased.

Doubt it! It would just mean their coffers fill a bit faster.

[5150]

I have just heard from a lady at my local VTNZ office that the government is looking at changing the law so those that put their vehicle licenses on hold will be required to hand in the number plates. These plates will be held and released back once the vehicle registration has been paid up. Are these rumors true or fabricated fantasy?