Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

[Conquiztador]

If youd read my post I said recidivist rego non payers, I just pointed out (as this is a bike forum, not a diesel forum) that there are several riders who openly encourage and do, ride without paying... Precious? just call me Gollum son.

It is a simple game of numbers. If there is a easy solution to get as many vehicles as possible to pay rego then that is what they will do. No discussion re morally right or wrong. It is a black and white thing; If you drive/ride on the road you must, by law, have a vehicle that has WOF/COF and rego. Comply or we will hit you hard.

[bsasuper]

Increase of points for no rego?, what a great idea.Remember that anyone who thinks its sticking it to the government by driving unlicensed, is giving the middle digit to everyone else who pays rego too.They are driving around, maybe past the school that my kids go to, maybe past me every day, and if they have a accident the people who pay rego have to cover his ACC costs, no rego goes hand in hand with no WOF, hence why I dont want to see these vehicles driving past any schools etc.

[Ocean1]

Remember that anyone who thinks its sticking it to the government by driving unlicensed, is giving the middle digit to everyone else who pays rego too.

So you AND the government are responsible for me having to pay several thousand dollars in vehicle licenceing costs a year?


Fuck you too Jack.

[bogan]

Increase of points for no rego?, what a great idea.Remember that anyone who thinks its sticking it to the government by driving unlicensed, is giving the middle digit to everyone else who pays rego too.They are driving around, maybe past the school that my kids go to, maybe past me every day, and if they have a accident the people who pay rego have to cover his ACC costs, no rego goes hand in hand with no WOF, hence why I dont want to see these vehicles driving past any schools etc.

And some of those people riding around without rego, are those who fought pretty hard against the increases, maybe their work actually got you a cheaper rego, who knows eh!

[Swoop]

...sticking it to the government by driving unlicensed, is giving the middle digit to everyone else who pays rego too. and if they have a accident the people who pay rego have to cover his ACC costs, no rego goes hand in hand with no WOF, hence why I dont want to see these vehicles driving past any schools etc.

You are confusing "unlicensed" with un-registered. If unregistered road users don't have an accident then your panties will not become twisted. Or will they?
Please remember that ACC isn't broke. Their propaganda ministry would have you believe otherwise, however.

[mossy1200]

Here we go again 10% are happy to let 90% pay for them and come up with unregistered users that dont crash dont cost meaning registered users that dont crash fund unregistered users that do crash. If only that 10% that dont pay stood up and signed away their right to medical care and income while not able to work.
The only user I feel bad for is the one that has several bikes and can only ride one at a time. If we payed acc on our licence rather than our bikes idd be happy. LOBY FOR THAT perhaps.
If you lose your licence by swapping plates or riding while registration on hold thats bad luck. If your doing it and complain about random checks on motorcyclists as a minority group you choose to do it and getting caught is your problem.

[Ocean1]

LOBY FOR THAT perhaps.

Wot, pay less?

Fair value for yer dollar isn't the issue, dude. When has any government altered tax systems to gather less revenue?

They'll wring their hands and tweak the numbers a bit, and I'll bet you a pound to a pinch of shit the ones who'll end up paying more won't be the ones spending it, and it sure as fuck won't be the ones that don't have the wherewithall to pay for it.

[pritch]

The only user I feel bad for is the one that has several bikes and can only ride one at a time. .

That point has already been well made. The official response was words to the effect, "If we charged for just the one we wouldn't meet the budget".

[mossy1200]

Wot, pay less?

Fair value for yer dollar isn't the issue, dude. When has any government altered tax systems to gather less revenue?

They'll wring their hands and tweak the numbers a bit, and I'll bet you a pound to a pinch of shit the ones who'll end up paying more won't be the ones spending it, and it sure as fuck won't be the ones that don't have the wherewithall to pay for it.

If you dont like the system move overseas or sell your bike or take the risk that you get your licence lost. Complaining on KB about how hard done we all are isnt changing anything.

Telecom has lots of money but if I dont pay ill loose my phone connection. But if I have 3 phones in the house and one landline I pay one connection fee.

LOBY FOR LEVY ON LICENCE is the only thing I have a issue with.

[Swoop]

If you dont like the system ... take the risk that you get your licence lost.

Yes. Doing that right now.

...if I dont pay ill loose...

Genuine kiwibiker spelling.

[mossy1200]

Yes. Doing that right now.


Genuine kiwibiker spelling.

Guilty of a spelling mistake.
Not guilty of agreeing not to ride my bike then complaining about the result of getting caught.

[Swoop]

Not guilty of agreeing not to ride my bike then complaining about the result of getting caught.

Guilty of registering ONE of my vehicles' but not all of them.

[bsasuper]

And some of those people riding around without rego, are those who fought pretty hard against the increases, maybe their work actually got you a cheaper rego, who knows eh!

Not if they have a accident and it costs $200,000 to get them fixed.I would like to see an even tougher system put in place where your unregisted/unlicensed vehicle
is seized untill the rego is paid up, then you have to pay storage fee,towing fee, fine, points on licence, or just give consent to crush vehicle.

[mossy1200]

Guilty of registering ONE of my vehicles' but not all of them.

So your saying you would be better off to pay acc levy on your licence and a small road user charge on the registration of your vehicles.
I see acc as being the service providing coverage for accident and loss of earnings. To me that service applies to the person and not the vehicle seeing as you could do 30tho km on one bike or 30tho km total on 10 bikes. The acc coverage is for the user and not the vehicle.

User pays doesnt add up when it comes to acc levy side of registration.

But as the rules are at present if you go and rego hold a bike then ride it then you did so buy knowing it was against the rules and if you get caught its your own problem.

Alot of people state they dont need to look after themselves and they would rather pay the fine than the registration then complain about the reactive measures taken to combat the offence.

Statements like if you dont fall off you dont cost anything and I can get pulled over 3 times a year before I LOSE money do not help alot.
Clearly people do fall off with or without good gear and those on average with good gear most likely cause themselves reduced injury.
Clearly breaking rules effects those who dont break rules and if people would rather pay a fine than rego then the punishment for getting caught will be changed.

[bogan]

Not if they have a accident and it costs $200,000 to get them fixed.I would like to see an even tougher system put in place where your unregisted vehicle
is seized untill the rego is paid up, then you have to pay storage fee,towing fee, fine, points on licence, or just give consent to crush vehicle.

Well yeh, but not all unlicened riders crash you know and that 200,000k to fix him, would be offset by just a $2 reduction in your ACC levy.

I pay my ACC levy through my van rego, my entitlement probably less than half what most get due to me not having an income compensation; so yeh, I pay for my financial risk, which is more than my share of the physical risk.