Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

[miloking]

The addition of demerits is unlikely to stop those that flout the law anyway.

Wont stop me thats for sure (got fresh clean licence now anyway so should last me at least year or so hopefuly, i try to time my suspensions for winter when i dont ride much anyway)

...being suspended sucks since you cant realy speed and have to drive "nicely" in general but its definitely bearable if it comes down to that.... and it adds bit of excitement into boring everyday life

[Yow Ling]

Ever think that this change might not be about bikes?
Diesel vans are abour 600 to rego, plenty of them out there.

And is it really about the revenue, or more about compliance, if you were 3 year olds and didnt do as you are told you get a slap around the arse till you start behaving, dont really want too many rebels , you arent in Libya you know.

Cant see Mag or Stoney having any influence on this, the answer will be simple , we cant have some people cheating the system and making others pay more !

[Paul in NZ]

Ha, I got mocked and shut down when I suggested that people not registering their bikes/putting them on hold was only going to result in TPTB introducing demerit points.....

So it was YOUR idea Hels? Grrr....

[Paul in NZ]

Its getting silly now............ just too much focus on revenue....... this is an issue for BRONZ and MAG to combine forces on IMO

My Ducati is on exemption, because its on a showroom floor being sold. As noted in MSTRS post, needs a plate to get a WOF, needs a WOF to be registered...if we are expected to take off our plates for exemption periods how the hell do we get the WOF so we can re-register it for Summer, or once the 're-build' has been completed?

Time to go visit Stephen and have a chat methinks.
Wanna come for a Ride Bogan?

Tell him what you want mate but it wont change much. Its bloody stupid - the pricks will change the law to suit themselves but its too hard to accomodate us. I have 3 old bikes and I'm the only person in the house with a license, they used to be always in full rego but now the Guzzi is on hold all winter and most of the summer purely because of cost. I have always been happy to contribute but 3 bikes (one is under 50cc and the triumph is cheap as its over 40 years) is too much.

Wankers...

[nodrog:Me]

LOL whut? Last time I checked, they had raised the fine to like $1000 ?? What happened to that?

maybe you should check with people that actually exist, not the make believe ones in your head?

[yachtie10]

Demerits used to be safety related.

Now it's demerits for revenue collection.

Now it's demerits for noise control.

Still no demerits for going through a red light.

Demerits are a joke. A bad joke.

Correct my post was a typo
cant see it happening but will have trouble voting for the pricks if they do

[yachtie10]

Cant see Mag or Stoney having any influence on this, the answer will be simple , we cant have some people cheating the system and making others pay more !

Umm NZ is built on a few people paying for the rest. the whole tax system is like that

let alone the people who get there fines cleared when they get too big

at the end of the day we will decide on election day if this stuff is important enough to vote for (not that i would trust the loony lefties to do any better)

its pity as bikers we cant get together on a plan.

[p.dath]

If people are driving unlicenced mode's of transport and not paying fine's now, demerits points going Is not going to change anything

I think it will have a definite impact. Previously you were facing a fine that was less than the rego fee, so the impact was minor.

Now you are facing loosing your licence. This can impact work, and insurance, etc. Not to mention a subsequent offence could mean much more serious consequences.

as for the idea of surrending plates,FFS its easy to make up your own plates

I do have some concern over this one. At the moment if a vehicle need to be located by the Police (say it appeared in video surveillance ...) they can at least look up its last known registered address and owner. Now it will be much harder to locate vehicles of interest.

IF they do require plates back on hold... I can see a lot of people's plates having "fallen off" their motorbike just before they decided to "put it on hold".

Trust me, you don't want to have to report a plate as "missing", which I'm sure you would have to do if you said it had "fallen" off. It would also mean you could never again use that plate again, and you would instantly attract a lot of attention by anyone doing a rego check (Police, banks, finance companies, insurance companies, etc).

[86GSXR]

Seems to me TPTB have discovered exactly what the impact of our not liking the ACC increases were and they are not happy with it.

If there ever was an argument for levying the driver, and not the vehicle, this would appear to be it.

I have two bikes, plus the car and it's getting out of hand, I only drive one at a time, etc.

Do you think MAG and BRONZ can have ANY effect in lobbying for a fairer road transport ACC collection system, or are they just going to insist in shafting multiple owners?

[Bald Eagle]

It's all about monetary priorities at the end of the day.

wonder what sort of ACC levy they would apply to this little beauty.

$2 million dollar canoe 60 metres long and almost 15 metres high.

[yungatart]

If there ever was an argument for levying the driver, and not the vehicle, this would appear to be it.

I have two bikes, plus the car and it's getting out of hand, I only drive one at a time, etc.

Do you think MAG and BRONZ can have ANY effect in lobbying for a fairer road transport ACC collection system, or are they just going to insist in shafting multiple owners?

I'm sure MAG and BRONZ will be doing their best to fight this. You could join either or both organisations, which would help them (if you haven't already)

[Swoop]

The fine for an unlicensed vehicle will drop from $200 to $150 but people will also receive 20 demerit points.
The demerit points will only apply for tickets personally served by a police officer."

Still sounds like a great idea.

Queue the next "runners" thread...

The addition of demerits is unlikely to stop those that flout the law anyway.

Exactly. It's nothing more than a "slightly bigger stick" to weild at the average citizen who considers uprising against TPTB.

[rastuscat]

Just pause for a minute.

I don't agree with demerits for this. Not when a seatbelt offence has no demerits, nor does a red light offence.

However, look back at the history of it. Car enthusiasts (boy racers) have been putting their reg on hold for years, and cruising around like dicks, knowing that the worst that will happen is that they get $200 added to a fine total they will never pay. They have been trying that other old trick, registering their vehicles as agricultural equipment, or as a vehicle under restoration. Both of these things are true, arguably.

The system needed to do something about it, and this is the result. This has been on the cards for longer than the ACC levy protest, so it's clear that it's not a result purely of that.

It's an attempt to actually force compliance. Agree with it or not, I think it will cause a higher level of compliance than just fines.

That's why I want demerits for seatbelt offences. Drop the fines to say, $75, and apply 35 demerits. Red lights, leave the fine at $150, but apply 35 demerits.

Starting with this offence is unbalanced.

Harumph.

[MSTRS:Me]

LOL whut? Last time I checked, they had raised the fine to like $1000 ?? What happened to that?

Well, duh!!
The maximum allowable fine has been $1000 for a long time. $200 is the actual fine imposed.

[86GSXR]

I'm sure MAG and BRONZ will be doing their best to fight this. You could join either or both organisations, which would help them (if you haven't already)

Yep, member of both. And I have no doubt they will be doing everything they can. I wanted to know how they think they will get on. There doesn't seem to be a good reason why the vehicle itself needs to be levvied so highly. Afterall, the vehicle doesnt have the accident (mostly), the driver does.