Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

[bogan]

Once again, your trying to argue why it is not fair for you. Once again, I'll point out that if $700m needs to be collected than $700m needs to be collected - and when you choose not to pay what you are really asking is for everyone else to pay your share instead.

There will also be someone who considers that it is not fair. Always.

So your argument is it's never going to be fair, so we must put up with whatever unfairness they decide is best? Or are you trying to argue the current system is the fairest option?

Also, as somebody else pointed out, TPTB claim 700m needs to be collected, but realistically, 500m would be plenty to keep ACC running, it's this future funding bollocks that has caused the hikes.

[CookMySock]

Problem is the world is not a fair place and NZ under this govt is getting worse............

It is a fair place bro. Fair to who? Fair to the fucking govt, thats who.

The only time it will be fair to you or I is when we tell them to stick their rules up their arse. Until that time, they will arbitrarily continue to make rules that pull money out of your and my pockets to grease their arse with.

The quicker everyone does it the better, and if we DO all do it they can never win.

[Str8 Jacket]

It is a fair place bro. Fair to who? Fair to the fucking govt, thats who.

The only time it will be fair to you or I is when we tell them to stick their rules up their arse. Until that time, they will arbitrarily continue to make rules that pull money out of your and my pockets to grease their arse with.

The quicker everyone does it the better, and if we DO all do it they can never win.

Oh dear, I think that someone has their head up their arse and it may just be you!

[p.dath]

Fuck me. Are you thick?
How is it fair to charge a rego/ACC levy on a vehicle that is not being used?
And how is it 'ripping off other motorists' if I own a vehicle that is not registered - because it's not being used?

I think I am of average build. Currently 75kg. Does that count as thick? I would have said medium.

I guess your not getting the point. Your taking the view point of "poor me", I have to pay for something I am not using. If you own multiple vehicles you need to take responsibility for multiple vehicles. The vast majority of road users have complete choice over the number of vehicles they own.

I'm taking the viewpoint of the other side - that of everyone else, the majority, with a single motorbike or car, who don't want their ACC fee increased so that someone else can have their fee reduced.
Is that fair? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't matter. Lots of things in life aren't fair, and that's the rules at the moment.

As I said, if you don't like the rules, try and get them changed - but currently neither Government is interested in changing the rules so that the majority are made worse off (by increasing their ACC levy) for the benefit of the minority (to allow their ACC levy to be reduced).


I can just see the comments in a years time ... I lost my licence through demerits because I didn't pay my rego fees. It will be the same "poor me" mentality. The same "blame the Government" line. The same "it's someone else's fault". The same lack of accepting of responsibility for the choices they make.

[bogan]

I'm taking the viewpoint of the other side - that of everyone else, the majority, with a single motorbike or car, who don't want their ACC fee increased so that someone else can have their fee reduced.
Is that fair? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't matter. Lots of things in life aren't fair, and that's the rules at the moment.

So as long as the majority are happy, it's fine? You're taking the view of somebody who knows it's unfair others have to pay more to support them, but selfishly insist the status quo should be maintained. It is a sad thing when this is the majority's viewpoint.

[MSTRS:Me]

Your taking the view point of "poor me", I have to pay for something I am not using. ...........and that's the rules at the moment.

Yep. You're thick.

The rules as they are, have been, and will continue to be are - if you are not using your vehicle, it does not have to have a current, paid up registration.

ACC levies are on a rego as that vehicle's risk-rated contribution to the Motor Fund. If it's parked up in the shed (or where-ever) it is hardly likely to be the cause of some of those funds having to be spent, is it?

[Toaster]

... got stopped for a random breath check,

.... Fuck them

No smint no kiss!

[86GSXR]

Well, speaking with the BRONZ hat on, We've recently discussed this with Chris Hipkins (Labour ACC spokesperson) and they've absolutely no plans to shift ACC motor vehicle levies on to driver's licences.

And we all know National's position on this. As for the Greens they'd be happy to get rid of motor vehicles altogether.

So whilst I like the idea, I think you can rule that out.

Many people have called for the motoring portion of the ACC levies to be placed on petrol instead and, while the idea has merit, and Labour haven't ruled it out, the potential of alternative fuels coming onstream in the next two years would tend to put a spanner in those works.

Add to that the fact that we're in an election year and lawmaking is effectively stopped from end of May onwards, I'd suggest nothing will happen in this regard for at least 12 months, no matter what happens in the election.

TBH I think TPTB are concerned with RWC and Canty earthquake for the rest of the year (followed by the election) so we rate so far down the scale it ain't funny.

Best bet from now on would be finding ways to make this an electoral issue and lobby Political parties heavily from June onwards, hoping to get someone to listen while we build up to the RWC. There's just no time after then for them even to be bothered listening to us once they hit the hustings.

So, to sum up, I don't personally believe we will get any legislation passed this year, but we will be doing our utmost to keep this issue in their minds for the next government three-year cycle.

Thank you for a clear, concise and honest answer. This issue will certainly influence who I vote for this year.

Well I guess those of us that choose to have more than one vehicle will continue to be unfairly penalised.

I wonder if the Labour Party would be open to the idea of paying a fair ACC levy on one bike and a marginal fee on any subsequent ones?

[biker baz]

[QUOTE=riffer;1130028917]Have it on good authority that you can use a special form to change the relicensing date so you can actually relicense for one month intervals if you like.
Sounds like this is the form you need. There is a catch, as you can only use it when the rego has expired to nominate a new rego expiry date. Of course you pay extra- can't remember how much.

The best date for expiry is 30 June, as the new ACC rates change on 1st July. If the rates increase (when have they not?) you can rego up to 15 months ahead at the old rego price using a MR 27 form & save some hard earned cash.

If you plan to put any vehicle on hold, then think in 3 mth chunks so the rego still expires on 30/6.
The vehicle licence to operate on a road -aka rego- is only 24.50 for 12 months; so ltsa will allow rego on hold for only $6.125 saving.
WTF cant they allow the rego on hold for 1 month saving us $30 -$40 in ACC levy?

I agree ACC s/be in the cost of petrol & this would save a shitload of political angst & hand wringing about riders avoiding rego & the nice policemen could get on with the job of fighting crime &/or evil.

[Conquiztador]

In this thread there are a few issues:

1. We are asked to pay towards ACC from each vehicle license fee. If you own one vehicle you pay once and if you have 10 vehicles you pay 10 times. What would be a fairer setup that all could agree upon?

2. How can we, as vehicle owners, get away with paying as little as possible?

3. What can we, as vehicle owners who consider the current system unfair, do to change it all?

4. If the system as it seems, has it loopholes closed one by one, how will evasion of payment (in any form) affect us?

5. Will we ever be able to get the majority to care enough to stand up as a force to recon with so that the rule makers get scared enough to change it all to a more fair setup?

6. Can we ever get the NZ population to understand that they are ripped off and ACC is not broke or bankrupt?

7. What is the REAL reason all this re ACC/license fees etc. keeps on going up and is unfair?


And here my answers FWIW:

1. 10% discount for two vehicles, 20% for three and so up to say 75%.

2. Already a few ways of doing this. The "no pay at all", the "on hold but ride anyhow" one, the "swap plates between the one in system and the one not". There is also a few others, but you will have to figure out those your self as I have no interest in advertising the good ones here for all to see...

3. Fuck all if you are really honest! (if you do not want to spend months and weeks lobbying for something that you never will get a thanks for)

4. This is a purely individual one depending on your personal situation financially/legally/morally etc.

5. Nope.

6. Nope.

7. NZ is in debt and needs to find a way out. Now!


As I conclude that I can do fuck all re this I have looked at the positives that will eventually come out of this. And the one I really like is that as the costs of fuel, license fees and everything else keeps on going up there will be less vehicles on the road. And for that I am prepared to pay!

[Usarka]

7. What is the REAL reason all this re ACC/license fees etc. keeps on going up and is unfair?

ACC are fucking people off left right and centre with the goal of getting people to say "we don't even have a choice" so super-gubbermint can fly in and privatise it and say there you go have a mintie up your arse.

[scumdog]

Been road riding nearly 20 years haven't been pulled up by a cop once, except the odd breath test.

Likewise, in the last ten+ year only two breath test stops, prior to that a stop because of a bent number-plate.

[CookMySock]

NZ is in debt and needs to find a way out. Now!

Well thats it in a nutshell innit. So the king is going to tax everyones sorry arse right off until they have had enough and tell him to get bent. So who is first?

[scumdog]

How do they "collect" anything? Knock on the door and ask? Hard to do that when they are trespassed to the eyeballs.

While you are at it, trespass the issuing officer, his agent, and his representative ; I think that should cover it nicely. Once everyone is fully trespassed and warned in writing, and a few people removed by the scruff of their neck I'd say there should be no more issues.

If some rather persuasive person DOES turn up, call the police and tell them you have a 'trespassed person' on your property and you are concerned there might be a breach of the peace. Watch the po po turn up quick-smart, and then stand your ground and insist no person touch any property of yours without your consent, and that there be no breach of the peace - exactly what the officer swore to the queen and country to uphold the day he began work.

Also might pay to send a few registered letters to various agencies revoking all implied consent to act for you in any fashion whatsoever, and specifically forbidding a few other things as well.

I don't owe any bitch anything nor do I want to, so they can go sing for it.

I really r.o.t.f.l.'d at that, I really did!

[Katman]

So I put it to you, who would you like to ask to pay more so that you can pay less. Who? Get ready for a frosty response from that person.

Tell me about it!