Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

[86GSXR]

Don't forget, the cost of everyone's rego on their first bike would increase to allow this to happen ... I can smell a lot of pissed off bikers over that one.

So instead of penalising all bikers (again), just penalise the ones with more than one bike? Sounds really fair.

Yeah, right!

But it's not about revenue is it?

A glimmer of hope that you're not totally thick...

Simply put, without the differing risk-ratings, vehicle-based ACC levies have to provide $XM, split between the number of vehicles. If discounts are offered on multiple vehicles, then the first vehicle/s must carry a greater proportion of the amount required.

Put the levy on fuel. The annual litreage of fuel use is a relative constant, so tptb can easily work out how much is required per litre, add it at the pump, and adjust up or down as required. No-one is penalised for owning multiple vehicles, everyone pays according to their road use and barring the odd drive-off at fuel stations (never stop those) no-one escapes paying their share.

Of course, those with fuel-hungry vehicles might complain...

This is probably the best solution, as long as rego's go down in proportion to the levy on fuel. The gov't will probably never allow such an increase tho, too many voters drive cars.

Drive on the roads? Then contribute to the costs!

I have no problem contributing to the costs, it's contributing twice that fucks me off. And you're right, the UK is driver hell.

Sweet, ill go and register all 7 of my vehicles and try and drive/ride them all at the same time.

I'll join you!

Believe it or not this has been discussed with TPTB in several 'meetings' I have attended, there is some sympathy toward multiple vehicle owners, yet there is no system in place that (currently) can deal with this

Risk assessment based on history and claims has been discussed as well (I would be cooked LOL) but I am not allowed to talk about these things of course........

Cheers! Well at least there is sympathy, a good place to start in addressing this inequity. Hopefully a system will emerge out of discussions like these.

Of course you're not allowed to talk of these things

[Max Preload]

The only fair way is with the ACC levy entirely on fuel. I'm happy to pay my fair share based on mileage risk because, face it, if your vehicle isn't being driven it poses no risk. Am I right or am I right?

None of this multiple vehicle ownership bullshit which is open to abuse.

[imdying]

Are V8s more at risk than Suzuki Swifts? If not, why should they pay more ACC through fuel?

[MSTRS:Me]

This is probably the best solution, as long as rego's go down in proportion to the levy on fuel.

Of course! Have a look at your rego demand...remove the ACC levy part (because that's now on the fuel you purchase) and see how cheap your rego will be.

[MSTRS:Me]

Are V8s more at risk than Suzuki Swifts? If not, why should they pay more ACC through fuel?

That a loophole. Easily utilised. By not using gas-guzzlers.

[bogan]

This is the 21st century, it's not that hard to implement new systems, putting the ACC levy onto a persons license isn't difficult, all the databases etc are there already. Cross reference with owned vehicles and charge only for the most expensive if they insist on different levies for different types. Only real problem is educating everyone about the change, but even that won't be too bad as you could just say no new vehicle license without current paid up driver license.

[Max Preload]

(d) Its muddled. Demerits are applied to a driver. But tickets for licensing are the responsibility of the owner. That makes the foolish assumption that they are one and the same. Which in my case I ensure they are not.

Only if it's parked are infringement fees or fines for unlicensed motorvehicles applied to the registered owner rather than the operator.

[Swoop]

But it's not about revenue is it?

Of course not.

Any gubbinment will be after as many $$$'s as possible to fund their hobby-horses and junkets (and the poor taxpayer can get stuffed).

[Max Preload]

Are V8s more at risk than Suzuki Swifts? If not, why should they pay more ACC through fuel?

The difference is negligible especially when you can spend the $$$ saved on the ACC portion of the vehicle licenses from operating one V8 and one Swift on petrol to run the one appropriate to your needs on that day. That is to say, you're not penalised for owning 2 vehicles, one to commute in and one to tow the boat.

[p.dath]

This is the 21st century, it's not that hard to implement new systems, putting the ACC levy onto a persons license isn't difficult, all the databases etc are there already. Cross reference with owned vehicles and charge only for the most expensive if they insist on different levies for different types. Only real problem is educating everyone about the change, but even that won't be too bad as you could just say no new vehicle license without current paid up driver license.

If it is put onto a persons licence, how do you plan to collect the cash? Are you going to propose that every licences driver has to go somewhere every 12 months to pay something? So someone has to process an extra 1 to 2 million transactions per year, perform debt collection, follow up letters, handle complaints, etc?
Sounds very expensive to me.

What about all the vehicles not owned by humans (as in, they are owned by companies and the like)? There is no linkage between licence and vehicle.

[MSTRS:Me]

Cross reference with owned vehicles

Don't have to have a vehicle to hold a licence. And vice versa.
Only need a licence to OPERATE a vehicle.

[nodrog:Me]

If it is put onto a persons licence, how do you plan to collect the cash? Are you going to propose that every licences driver has to go somewhere every 12 months to pay something? So someone has to process an extra 1 to 2 million transactions per year, perform debt collection, follow up letters, handle complaints, etc?
Sounds very expensive to me.

What about all the vehicles not owned by humans (as in, they are owned by companies and the like)? There is no linkage between licence and vehicle.

what extra transactions? you pay on your license not your vehicle, so there will be no vehicle transactions.

you dont need a link between person and vehicle, throw the rego label away.

[MSTRS:Me]

If it is put onto a persons licence, how do you plan to collect the cash? Are you going to propose that every licences driver has to go somewhere every 12 months to pay something? So someone has to process an extra 1 to 2 million transactions per year, perform debt collection, follow up letters, handle complaints, etc?
Sounds very expensive to me.

Be no different to now. All those transactions for each re-licencing of vehicles. Can be over the counter or online. Nothing would change.
BUT - what form would the driver licence/proof of levy payment be? Same licence as now, and a new piece of plastic/paper that you must carry along with your current photo licence? And what is stopping those who don't bother paying? Tons of unlicenced drivers now...it would just get worse.

EDIT: I see what you mean about 'extra transactions'...vehicles still need to be registered PLUS licence levy. That's 2 transactions, compared to the 1 as it is now.

Fuck me - fuel-based is looking better and better.

[bogan]

If it is put onto a persons licence, how do you plan to collect the cash? Are you going to propose that every licences driver has to go somewhere every 12 months to pay something? So someone has to process an extra 1 to 2 million transactions per year, perform debt collection, follow up letters, handle complaints, etc?
Sounds very expensive to me.

What about all the vehicles not owned by humans (as in, they are owned by companies and the like)? There is no linkage between licence and vehicle.

well you could do it online as well, or post office etc, expensive you reckon? how many bill payment transactions are performed daily at post offices do you think, an extra 2 million per year is a drop in the bucket. Vehicles not owned by humans don't matter, as it's very difficult for one to crash without a driver. You should try to stop seeing it as lost income, and start looking at how it is a much fairer way to charge.

[RE5Guy]

It is all a load of the proverbial.

We all know the ACC levies suck and are unfair, but nothing will happen to change this.

We are a minority and we will be treated as such.