Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

[imdying]

The difference is negligible especially when you can spend the $$$ saved on the ACC portion of the vehicle licenses from operating one V8 and one Swift on petrol to run the one appropriate to your needs on that day. That is to say, you're not penalised for owning 2 vehicles, one to commute in and one to tow the boat.

I live in an apartment and only have one parking space. I don't want to pay to insure two cars. I don't want to pay to maintain two cars. I don't want to drive a Swift at $30 a week, I want to drive a V8 at $120 a week. Why should I pay four times the ACC Levy when my risk hasn't changed? You're looking for a fair system, fuel isn't it.

Personally I vote scrap it and I'll keep paying for medical, surgical, dental, and life cover.

[imdying]

Only need a licence to OPERATE a vehicle.

No, you don't. You only need one to operate it LEGALLY.

[MSTRS:Me]

Why should I pay four times the ACC Levy when my risk hasn't changed?

Your choice.
Same as now,really. You choose to ride a 750cc bike, instead of a 400? You pay more. Where's the extra risk?

No, you don't. You only need one to operate it LEGALLY.

True.

[imdying]

Same as now,really. You choose to ride a 750cc bike, instead of a 400? You pay more. Where's the extra risk?

Isn't that the point though?

True.

Guess that's a plus for the fuel levy then.

[lone_slayer]

Here's an idea how about motorcyclists being able to purchase a multi vehicle plate much like a D-Plate for car dealers, you can ride one of your bikes dosent matter which 1 and only pay 1 rego.... Would help out all you guys with multiple bikes. Also as an idea what does a D plate cost to have for a year? and is it easy to get your hands on 1? Also would be great if you want to use a friend spare or somthing just grab your plate (registerd to the rider not the bike) and throw it on a bike any "fun" you have is on you and no one else

[awa355]

Here's an idea how about motorcyclists being able to purchase a multi vehicle plate much like a D-Plate for car dealers, you can ride one of your bikes dosent matter which 1 and only pay 1 rego.... Would help out all you guys with multiple bikes. Also as an idea what does a D plate cost to have for a year? and is it easy to get your hands on 1? Also would be great if you want to use a friend spare or somthing just grab your plate (registerd to the rider not the bike) and throw it on a bike any "fun" you have is on you and no one else

That sounds okay in theory, but, You couldn't apply it to cars towing trailers etc, Would be a pain to physically change plates. Easier to have an endorsement on your licence.

[lone_slayer]

That sounds okay in theory, but, You couldn't apply it to cars towing trailers etc, Would be a pain to physically change plates. Easier to have an endorsement on your licence.

Was thinking motorcycles only very easy to swap a plate but I guess it also means that whatever CC bike you ride the cost would be the same and we all know 600cc+ is a death trap

[MSTRS:Me]

Was thinking motorcycles only ...

Can't agree with that. Motorcyclists are NOT something special (even if we were targetted first for big ACC rises).
Why would we want to be viewed by others with even more rancour than now, because we are allowed something special as far as our bikes go that they can't have for their cars?

[Pixie]

There seems to be a common thread the Government is out to get your money. So lets take a step back for a minute.

ACC, as in the organisation that pays for your care after an accident, costs money. Lets pretend it costs $500m for the year.

No matter what, that is what the cost is. So the question is how to divy up the bill amongst us all. And in case it isn't really obvious, if one person pays less, or doesn't pay at all, then someone else has to pay more - we still need to collect the $500m to pay for everyone who has gotten hurt.

So when someone decides that their share of the ACC bill is not fair, and decides not to register their bike/car, what they are in actual fact doing is asking everyone else to pay their share. And they call that fair. I don't personally understand their logic.

And think about it. If next year 10% more people don't register their vehicles and pay their ACC fees, and it still costs $500m - what do you think will happen to the individual cost of ACC? It will, of course, increase so that $500m is still collected.


So please don't waste your breath by telling me you don't think it is fair that you shouldn't have to pay ACC and because of that you won't, and that you think I should pay part of your bill so you don't have to.

Instead, if your not happy with the service you are paying for - work on changing that, or work on changing how the bill is divided up - but do realise that no matter what, the same $500m has to be collected, and if you end up getting a smaller bill then it means someone else will end up getting a bigger bill.

Save your breath,the nats have already designed ACC to be best readied for sale and that design does not include changing the income structure by putting levies on fuel or one fee per driver.

Anyway,every couple of years they talk about banning radar detectors - usually it is just FUD (fear,uncertainty ,doubt)

[MSTRS:Me]

Save your breath,the nats have already designed ACC to be best readied for sale and that design does not include changing the income structure by putting levies on fuel or one fee per driver.

Yep. Except history tells us that when National find themselves out, Labour will re-nationalise ACC and quite possibly initiate changes to the way levies are collected.

[Pixie]

Are V8s more at risk than Suzuki Swifts? If not, why should they pay more ACC through fuel?

More benefits! It gets lumbering pieces of shit off the road,too

[imdying]

More benefits! It gets lumbering pieces of shit off the road,too

Mmmm, like anything over a 250... I'm sure they've thought about that too.

[CookMySock]

No, you don't. You only need one to operate it LEGALLY.

And legally according to who?

The king, er, govt has ALWAYS made a point of taxing every single activity simply from a fund-raising perspective - they have done this for hundreds of years, and every year they find yet a new way to slice of a chunk of whats yours and make it theirs. All the courts, lawyers, and so on, are just part of the fund-raising system. Well they can stick it up their arse. What's mine stays mine.

[admenk]

What's mine stays mine.

Good luck with that...

[Conquiztador]

If it is put onto a persons licence, how do you plan to collect the cash? Are you going to propose that every licences driver has to go somewhere every 12 months to pay something? So someone has to process an extra 1 to 2 million transactions per year, perform debt collection, follow up letters, handle complaints, etc?
Sounds very expensive to me.

What about all the vehicles not owned by humans (as in, they are owned by companies and the like)? There is no linkage between licence and vehicle.

The more I read of your postings the more I am sure you are in someones pocket.