Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

[Yow Ling]

Ok so I own 2 houses, why should I pay rates on 2 houses when I only live in 1?
Nobody argues with rates
One of the houses is bigger than the other , I pay more rates on the big one
No problem there either

When the powers that be apply the same charging regime on motorvehicles its a revenue gathering exercise etc bla bla bla.

If you dont pay yer rates, you get penalised, happens every day , nobody complains.

Some guys here are going to speak with their vote. wont make much difference, they wont change this, a swing to the left will cost as much or more than where we are now.

I think you are all screwed ! China has 1 child policy , NZ going to have 1 vehicle policy maybe

[rastuscat]

Sweet, ill go and register all 7 of my vehicles and try and drive/ride them all at the same time.

Maybe you could get discounted for 6 of your 7 bikes.

Then when you loan the 6 discounted bikes to some mates, they can ride around on your bikes, get injured, and still expect ACC to pay.

Yeah, that's really fair.

[bogan]

Maybe you could get discounted for 6 of your 7 bikes.

Then when you loan the 6 discounted bikes to some mates, they can ride around on your bikes, get injured, and still expect ACC to pay.

Yeah, that's really fair.

same as having 1 bike and loaning it out! putting the fees on the license is looking better eh?

[blackdog]

Also as an idea what does a D plate cost to have for a year?

I can't remember exactly, but it's well into the thousands.

[Yow Ling]

I can't remember exactly, but it's well into the thousands.

I used to have one , it was about $20 less than the full rego. that was about 3 years ago, it sure wasnt more than normal rego.

It requires that you make a declaration for its use , and has some conditions as well, all a bit of a pain in the arse, plus everyone wanted to borrow it !

[racefactory]

They won't have the resources to take plates away and give them back to people. It would require a big effort and that might easily cost more than the losses from people like us riding and driving with rego on hold.

It has worked beautifully for me so far. Just ran the car without rego for a year and put it on hold for another 12 months. The bike has not seen a rego for a long time now. Life is good.

[Reckless]

Ok so I own 2 houses, why should I pay rates on 2 houses when I only live in 1?
Nobody argues with rates
One of the houses is bigger than the other , I pay more rates on the big one
No problem there either

When the powers that be apply the same charging regime on motorvehicles its a revenue gathering exercise etc bla bla bla.

If you dont pay yer rates, you get penalised, happens every day , nobody complains.

Some guys here are going to speak with their vote. wont make much difference, they wont change this, a swing to the left will cost as much or more than where we are now.

I think you are all screwed ! China has 1 child policy , NZ going to have 1 vehicle policy maybe

Jeepers I think you may have missed the point here the main charge in rego is ACC risk. I'm pretty sure there's no comparison between sitting in your house compared to sitting on your bike?? Not quite the same risk factor, don't think this house/rates vs bike/rego/ACC argument flys at all??

Maybe you could get discounted for 6 of your 7 bikes.

Then when you loan the 6 discounted bikes to some mates, they can ride around on your bikes, get injured, and still expect ACC to pay.

Yeah, that's really fair.

Also this post! If I know bikers at all there is very very few that lone their bikes out to anyone (even if they owned 6 of them) they are personal always have been? That's why we are so passionate about them isn't it??! The people doing the above simply wouldn't rate as a valid argument imho!

Secondly if bikers where paying ACC levies (say through their license) they would be less inclined to increase they're risk by loaning out to people who didn't pay??

Finally if you have already taken the position that blame is to be specifically allocated this is not how Woodhouse set it up or intended it! Anyone with this approach has already lost the ACC argument. Thats what they want you to do change your ethos of thought. Our ACC system is dead. They've won!

[yachtie10]

They won't have the resources to take plates away and give them back to people. It would require a big effort and that might easily cost more than the losses from people like us riding and driving with rego on hold.

It has worked beautifully for me so far. Just ran the car without rego for a year and put it on hold for another 12 months. The bike has not seen a rego for a long time now. Life is good.

Its people like you that are causing the problem
if you wont register at least one of your vehicles then your a bludger
and I bet you will expect acc to cover you when you crash

(I have no issue with people not registering one of many vehicles)

[Yow Ling]

Jeepers I think you may have missed the point here the main charge in rego is ACC risk. I'm pretty sure there's no comparison between sitting in your house compared to sitting on your bike?? Not quite the same risk factor, don't think this house/rates vs bike/rego/ACC argument flys at all??




Also this post! If I know bikers at all there is very very few that lone their bikes out to anyone (even if they owned 6 of them) they are personal always have been? That's why we are so passionate about them isn't it??! The people doing the above simply wouldn't rate as a valid argument imho!

Secondly if bikers where paying ACC levies (say through their license) they would be less inclined to increase they're risk by loaning out to people who didn't pay??

Finally if you have already taken the position that blame is to be specifically allocated this is not how Woodhouse set it up or intended it! Anyone with this approach has already lost the ACC argument. Thats what they want you to do change your ethos of thought. Our ACC system is dead. They've won!

No I dont think I missed ay point, you and the anti ACC brigade are so caught up in the "so unfair for bikers" bullshit that you have forgotton what this thread is actually about, and that is a new penalty for anyone using unregistered motorvehicles , the majority are most likley cars. You of all people should be happy as a pig in mud as you pay nothing for regoing a dirt bike and have the full support of the ACC system when you get hurt.

ACC is not dead, last time I used it it paid for an Ambo ride to hospital and luxury care in A&E, time before that they paid for 4 days in Hospo with surgery, also about 5 lots of physio, ultrsounds etc.
Maybe you justnot reckless enough to enjoy the benifits

[awayatc]

ACC is not dead, last time I used it it paid for an Ambo ride to hospital and luxury care in A&E, time before that they paid for 4 days in Hospo with surgery, also about 5 lots of physio, ultrsounds etc.

Maybe you justnot reckless enough to enjoy the benifits

What?...............
What sort of piss poor attitude is that?
Maybe the 1 child policy makes those that "make it" to selfcentered?
I am not reckless and can't remember when I last " enjoyed the benefits" of ACC....
at least a decade or so ago.
I have 7 motorvehicles to register and am half my life at sea....
Just so I can pay for cocksuckers like you.....?

[86GSXR]

To charge someone more than once for the same amount of risk is just screwed. A bike sitting home alone cannot possibly injure itself, the environment, or its rider.

[nodrog:Me]

Maybe you could get discounted for 6 of your 7 bikes.

Then when you loan the 6 discounted bikes to some mates, they can ride around on your bikes, get injured, and still expect ACC to pay.

Yeah, that's really fair.

maybe the levy could just be on drivers licence's, so everybody has payed their fair share.

[ajturbo]

To charge someone more than once for the same amount of risk is just screwed. A bike sitting home alone cannot possibly injure itself, the environment, or its rider.

you stupid person..... what sort of logic is that..?????

[ajturbo]

What?...............
What sort of piss poor attitude is that?
Maybe the 1 child policy makes those that "make it" to selfcentered?
I am not reckless and can't remember when I last " enjoyed the benefits" of ACC....
at least a decade or so ago.
I have 7 motorvehicles to register and am half my life at sea....
Just so I can pay for cocksuckers like you.....?

now this is even funnier than the last one......

hook line and sinker..!!!!

hahahahahahahaha

[davereid]

maybe the levy could just be on drivers licence's, so everybody has payed their fair share.

Maybe it could just be on fuel, or even better as a road user charge that reflects distance traveled.

Remember that the BIGGEST reason the motorcycle levy is high is that ACC funds 80% of your income while you get back to work. This can be correctly thought of as income protection insurance.

So a beneficiary, or low wage earner pays the same premium for income protection insurance as I do, yet the beneficiary actually gets NO cover.

The way to sort this mess out is easy.

1) Collect income protection insurance, by putting the charge on income. So poor people don't pay for cover they don't get.

2) Collect the balance from road user charges that reflect distance traveled.

3) Return to a no-fault basis, where all road users pay the same km rate.