Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

[imdying]

There are other things that make tampering with the milage on modern cars a fools errand.

No, only harder. You don't have to (read 'can't') stop everyone, just 99% of them.

[Viscount Montgomery]

All justification fails, all this ACC shit was brought on by wealing dealing financiers and politicians living in cuckoo land fucking the country's economy through incompetence/greed. And all getting away with it with nothing but a bonus golden handshake payment and a 4 week trip to fucken Honolulu. Face it, bikings fucked nowadays, too many weasels and snakes running the show, the elite BMW National Party rich get fat and 90% of every other fucken slob out there is licking from the toilet, thanks a lot you sons-of-bitches, no fucken way am I paying six fucken hundy plus a year, summer and fucken winter, your bikes sitting in the fucken shed doing fuck-all for a lot of fucken time, even these strange bearded tourer and rally-weirdo types claiming half a million K's a year know I'm right, soon enough there'll be cops out patrolling the backroads and secondary routes, you'll probably be better off taking your chances and just running home-made plywood plates out on the main fucken highways

[Reckless]

Demerit points for non registration is wrong big time, registration is not a saftey issue just a compliancy issue. Watch out that ciggy smoking in cars incurrs 30 demerit points..........same with eating while driving.........where will it stop.

What about parking wardens they give out tickets for no rego does this mean Wardens and councils will now have to power to give demerit points??

Smoking/eating in cars etc etc is a non issue because there's no increased ACC revenue to be gained from it! They don't give enough of a shit to set their revenue collectors (The NZ police force) onto it!!

What happened was they fucked up, we went and put all our 2nd, 3rd, 4th bikes on hold (and our rider over winter) instead of keeping them registered. Now they think its because we are all riding illegal which is prob another fuck up! I'd bet 99% of us aren't and pay our rego for the bikes we ride! When they realise this new law doesn't double their revenue they will know its another fuck up and think of another way to put the boot in!
Instead of doing what Woodhouse intended find a way to charge everyone a little bit and have a no fault system? Its not rocket science

[Swoop]

just running home-made plywood plates out on the main fucken highways

An impressive "Waaaaaah" moment there.

Who would use plywood? White formica is much better.

[p.dath]

Not doing too bad till here, your not telling me a 10l V10 Dodge Viper is gonna cost the same per km as a 1.3l 4cyl Mazda 323 are you?
Or a GSXR1000 is gonna cost the same per km as a Scorpio?

Oops, you are 100% correct.

All justification fails, all this ACC shit was brought on by wealing dealing financiers and politicians living in cuckoo land fucking the country's economy through incompetence/greed. And all getting away with it with nothing but a bonus golden handshake payment and a 4 week trip to fucken Honolulu. Face it, bikings fucked nowadays, too many weasels and snakes running the show, the elite BMW National Party rich get fat and 90% of every other fucken slob out there is licking from the toilet, thanks a lot you sons-of-bitches, no fucken way am I paying six fucken hundy plus a year, summer and fucken winter, your bikes sitting in the fucken shed doing fuck-all for a lot of fucken time, even these strange bearded tourer and rally-weirdo types claiming half a million K's a year know I'm right, soon enough there'll be cops out patrolling the backroads and secondary routes, you'll probably be better off taking your chances and just running home-made plywood plates out on the main fucken highways

I think perhaps you need a history lesson.

Before ACC we had the right to sue, like in the USA. Like insurance, there were specific policies. Unfortunately a lot of people failed to get paid out when they had an accident due to specific conditions of their policy (for example, a famous case is someone who had an accident when they stepped off their work stairs, and didn't get cover under their work insurance because they were deemed to have landed outside of work and as a result, that is where they injured themselves).

Large claims frequently ended up in court. Insurance companies routinely challenged large claims because they knew the defendants couldn't afford to challenge them. At the time, 30% of the claims that got paid out were consumed in legal fees making the insurance companies pay out.


Something had to change. So that is when the Government stepped in with a Royal Commission of Inquiry. All the systems from around the world were studied. The result was ACC. It got rid of all the bureaucracy. It got rid of the lawyers, the courts, and the right to sue.
Even today, ACC routinely pays out the largest chunk of what it collects than most other systems in existence in the world today. ACC is still that good.

After the introduction things were pretty sweat. And you know what, they still are.


So perhaps stop and consider the big picture, and realise things are nothing like what you are making out.

[chasio]

After the introduction things were pretty sweat [or sweet if you prefer - Ed ]. And you know what, they still are.

And that's the nub of it. It is a good organisation. It has massive cash reserves. And it is a splendid asset to make ready for sale to the private sector. Hooray!

National remind me of paedophiles grooming New Zealanders for their evil intentions with regard to ACC. Each little request may not seem unreasonable on its own, but after a few years, we'll be so used to not saying 'No' that they will be able to ask us to go along with anything. We'll feel bad about ourselves, that we have lost something of true value, but it will be too late.

I would be delighted to be proved wrong about this, but it is my nagging fear.

[Pixie]

That could well work depending on what the fine is for disconnecting the speedo cable and if the police were out enforcing random checks.

There is no effective way to check this on the roadside,short of the cop driving the vehicle.This would not happen due to liability issues.

[Voltaire]

bit off topic, but I was in dispute with ACC over stopping being self employed and then winding it up and becoming an employee.... seems they don't talk to IRD and you have to prove you stopped being self employed...... they aren't much help when you ring either..... now I have a debt collection agency on my case for $500.00....
" Pay in 72 hours or we take legal action"...dated 5 days ago....

I imagine ACC will tell me its out of their hands now.......
What really irks me is they don't have to have any customer service attitude as they have a monopoly.... do as we say or else.....thats the Stalinist bit I don't like.
They chase indviduals but let the big fish go.....
I live in Mt Roskill....maybe I should go and see my Triumph riding MP....

[Pixie]

Those in thread comparing us to UK etc, if you think its so wonderful there (which it aint) bugger off and live there, this is NZ and I for one am getting pretty annoyed with the cost of trying to enjoy a decent, freedom filled lifestyle here.

You may feel I have given you some shit in the past,but in this I am in wholehearted agreement.

[Pixie]

3. So who will pay the most fuel tax? Heavy users of vehicles. People who drive for their PROFESSION. Taking trucks out of the debate (road user charges apply) - Taxi drivers/travelling salesmen/people providing services etc etc

4. So what will they do when their fuel costs go through the roof?

5. I know! they WILL PASS IT ON TO US CONSUMERS!

So whichever way you look at the merrry go round the end result is the same. I would rather just pay my registration than see prices in other areas going through the roof.

They didn't hesitate to put the ACC levy on diesels up by a similar amount to bikes,did they?

[Pixie]

You don't seem to understand we need to collect a certain amount to fund ACC. Lets pretend it is $700m. If the ACC levy is removed from re-licencing and added to fuel $700m still needs to be collected. All that happens is the cost of the ACC gets redistributed from those paying per vehicle to those who use the road the most.
Note that there is already an ACC levy on Petrol. We are merely saying we want 100% of the levy on Petrol.




If I recall correctly, it needs to increase by about 15 cents per litre to raise the same amount as is currently being generated through re-licencing.



Correct. Heavy users of the roading network with the most exposure will pay the most.



It is self regulating. If less people drive, then less ACC would be collected, and you would expect less accidents to happen.



Well consumers buy petrol, so if petrol goes up in price of course consumers will pay more. What's your point?




Correct, the same amount of ACC needs to be collected. HOWEVER, when ACC is funded via 100% via petrol:
* It is very hard to evade paying. If no one evades paying then more people are splitting the $700m bill, and the cost per person could reduce.
* Very cheap to collect (already paying to collect it).
* Everyone gets charged exactly the same amount per km of road they use - so very fair.

If you drive the "average" number of km's that other motorists do, they your net costs for the year would not change. If you have several vehicles but only use one, your cost would drop. If your a Granddad and only drive once every three months your costs would come down. If you drive all day every day your costs would go way up.

According to http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/ener...ofile-134.html ,the average NZer uses 751 litres of gasoline per year.An increase of $0.15/litre is $112 dollars per year.
I can live happily with twice that to fund ACC

[Pixie]

Demerit points for non registration is wrong big time, registration is not a saftey issue just a compliancy issue. Watch out that ciggy smoking in cars incurrs 30 demerit points..........same with eating while driving.........where will it stop.

Shit! How many points will one get for receiving a "gummy" whilst driving?
Or will the "gummer" incur the demerits?

[jaykay]

Another vote for putting ACC levies onto fuel, it isn't ideal but it is fairer and a lot better than the present mess. And as for the idea of some sort of ACC fee for a driving licence each year - I'm sure overseas visitors would really like that.

And to those of you who have been caught forgetting to renew an exemption - Baycorp have just removed one from my credit rating slapped on by NZTA. So an amount of $67 will never get paid - doesn't affect my credit rating - and disappears after six years.

How did I do it? I wrote to Baycorp denying the amount and telling them to refer it back to NZTA and it should be removed as it was put on by default before it had been argued in court. They agreed.

[racefactory]

Shit! How many points will one get for receiving a "gummy" whilst driving?
Or will the "gummer" incur the demerits?

What's a gummy?

[red mermaid]

Really?

I've checked many a speedo/odometer.

I love it when people who dont do my job know more about it than me.

There is no effective way to check this on the roadside,short of the cop driving the vehicle.This would not happen due to liability issues.