Demerit points hiked for unlicensed vehicles

**MrKiwi** · 23rd June 2011, 19:03

Originally Posted by StoneY

nah meeting them today matey - will call you soon

Thanks for the call...

**StoneY** · 24th June 2011, 08:24

Originally Posted by nosebleed

Good result. They laughed off the BIKOI (ultimately) and now that the protest has taken a movement towards having financial implications they're taking notice.

I wouldn't say they laughed it off, I know the hike was far less than it was intended to be, I would say we were 50% successful.
I will also say, a huge spike of public goodwill was created from it too.

**oneofsix** · 24th June 2011, 08:34

Originally Posted by StoneY

I wouldn't say they laughed it off, I know the hike was far less than it was intended to be, I would say we were 50% successful.
I will also say, a huge spike of public goodwill was created from it too.

I would have rated the success higher than 50%. It was pretty obvious that they were determined to do it, we were the trial group, the easy pickings, and they need to do it as a step towards making it attractive to the insurance industry. The Bikoi proved we weren't as easy as they thought, even if the French are more radical, I trust we haven't surrendered. I don't think the govt are yet comfortable that we have surrendered.
Without the Bikoi the changes to the rego enforcement would not have made a ripple as the AA rolled over to have its belly scratched and media would not have thought about bikes.

**xclued** · 6th July 2011, 02:42

This sucks so much. Demerit points already stacking up to 100 too fast

**StoneY** · 9th July 2011, 09:16

Watch TV1 news Monday night folks....story on this very subject supposed to air...no less then 2 KBers interviewed for the issue at hand!

**scumdog** · 9th July 2011, 09:19

Originally Posted by xclued

This sucks so much. Demerit points already stacking up to 100 too fast

So, how many times would you piss on a live electric fence before you got the message?

More than once in your case I suspect...

**bsasuper** · 9th July 2011, 09:24

Originally Posted by scumdog

So, how many times would you piss on a live electric fence before you got the message?

More than once in your case I suspect...

Typical reply from someone who is narrow minded, and dosnt take circumstances into consideration.

**scumdog** · 9th July 2011, 09:25

Originally Posted by bsasuper

Typical reply from someone who is narrow minded, and dosnt take circumstances into consideration.

Pah, there has to be a shitload of 'circumstances' to get to 100 demerits.

Fuckin' whinging slow-learners...

**StoneY** · 9th July 2011, 09:32

Originally Posted by scumdog

Pah, there has to be a shitload of 'circumstances' to get to 100 demerits.

Fuckin' whinging slow-learners...

Hehehe I am one of them man........ 29 days 15.5 hours to go till my own 'holiday' ends
Took me 23 months to break the 100 mark tho.... I put it down to having 3 1L class bikes, and my own stupidity
part of the game, I live with it and dont cry foul if I get a ticket
BUT

Adding em to a tax collection issue mate, sorry, you guys have better things to do than collect tax for JK and his mates
There is no danger or risk to others involved in not registering or letting ya rego expire....and in my case 3 bikes...how many time I have to pay that freaking levy on one body? Bah....

I generally agree with ya on most things Scummy but this issue of demerits on rego fines is just utter bollocks mate

**FJRider** · 9th July 2011, 10:08

Originally Posted by scumdog

So, how many times would you piss on a live electric fence before you got the message?

More than once in your case I suspect...

I think he chose the wrong username ... Clueless may be more appropriate ...

**FJRider** · 9th July 2011, 10:24

Originally Posted by StoneY

Adding em to a tax collection issue mate, sorry, you guys have better things to do than collect tax for JK and his mates
There is no danger or risk to others involved in not registering or letting ya rego expire....and in my case 3 bikes...how many time I have to pay that freaking levy on one body? Bah....

Never have I seen anywhere ... that the demerits added to rego expired ... or any other infringements ... be in the cause for safety. Unless it is because (in most cases ... the vehicle has no rego because it cant pass a WOF.)

The intent I believe ... is simply revenue gathering ... so those that should pay ... DO.

And if all money that should be paid ... was ... perhaps the ACC levies may not have needed to be increased.

It seems ... only those that have tried to "shortcut" the system ... seem to be moaning about it ...

**scumdog** · 9th July 2011, 11:46

Originally Posted by StoneY

I generally agree with ya on most things Scummy but this issue of demerits on rego fines is just utter bollocks mate

If the tight(broken?) arses just paid there fines the Govt wouldn't have looked at demerits..

And as far as "you guys have better things to do than collect tax for JK and his mates" goes? - we don't collect any taxes, we GIVE out paperwork, never collect anything...so $$$ or demerits it doesn't make any difference.

BTW: The only time anybody is informed of the demerits for an offence is when they get a speeding ticket...All the rest of the demerits are a 'surprise' that jumps out on you further down the track..and there's a shit-load of offences will garner demerits

And wait to see what's around the corner for drink-drivers under 20 years of age who give a reading that is under the present 'legal limit'...

**FJRider** · 9th July 2011, 12:08

Originally Posted by scumdog

And wait to see what's around the corner for drink-drivers under 20 years of age who give a reading that is under the present 'legal limit'...

I would think that they are hoping ... there's a BUS STOP ...

**riffer** · 9th July 2011, 12:47

Originally Posted by scumdog

All the rest of the demerits are a 'surprise' that jumps out on you further down the track..and there's a shit-load of offences will garner demerits

Here's the issue Tom.

Govt decides to increase the ACC component on registration by an astronomical amount.

Motorcyclists respond by puttin an increasing amount of motorcycle registrations on hold.

Income generated from relicencing (and corresponding, ACC levies) falls through the floor, to the point where they are actually getting less money than previously, while at the same time the amount of money they are forking out for motorcyclists remains more or less static.

Govt. decides this is not cool - something "has to be done" about the licensing fee issue. They speculate (without any real evidence) that the motorcyclists must be riding without registration.

They introduce demerits on unlicenced vehicles on road.

Police are charged with ensuring that more motorcycles are checked for licensing details.

So, what you've got here is a situation where a person can lose their license for a non-payment of tax.

Can you name one other example in New Zealand where a person can lose their license through accumulation of demerits due to not paying tax?