Hardcore Biker
After trawling thought the web and popping into the odd dealer or two, I finally settled on a Yamaha scorpio to get as my first bike. However in light of my having zero experience, it has been suggested that I get a 125 instead. As I will not be going on motorways or such for the duration of my L's, would this be a viable alternative? Upgrading when on a restricted?
Also what are low kms for a bike? I have heard half of what you would expect from a car, but also third as well.
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Scorpio should be fine, easy bike to ride and not a lot of difference between the 225 and a 125 in terms of weight, power etc.
Mileage is less of a concern than overall condition and having been serviced regularly, so ask for some records of what's been done.
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Scorpio 225 will do fine, not a ball of fire, but a good wee bike. Don't bother with a 125, as already said the difference isn't that big.
Also how many bikes have you looked at? The amount of safe Km all depends on the bike and it's history, for example a Honda cbr250rr is usually good for 100,000km+ with good maintenance, whereas some have exploded earlier. I have Honda VT250 Spada and clocked it up to 154,000km before selling it on and it was still a great bike (Although the new owner had a cry when the radiator got blocked, because, no doubt he didn't service it...)
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the scorpio is a great learners bike,it will see you through your Learner period.
Hardcore Biker
Sweet thanks guys. I'll post back with what I get in a few days. (fingers crossed for a Scorpio)
Also the only one I can find at a dealer is at red baron. Has anyone had experience/past dealings with them? Good, bad, ugly etc?
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They've been around for a while ... they must be doing something right ...
There are a few Scorpio's on Trademe ... if you want to do the cash route ...
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Hardcore Biker
Zero experience.... stick to roads you know, car parks, slow residential areas, I learnt on a 400... around a car park, and when I jumped on my 250 it was easy. As they all say on here, stick to your own pace and comfort, and listen to advice!!! Hope the scorpio and you have a great time. I learnt on a XV260 Yamaha, great bike too.
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exactly, ride your own ride and not somebody elses, As for low k's it depends on the bike, some have a fatality point of like 75k and others are like 100 - 100+, if its a 250, you shouldnt have to much of an issue with anything under 60,000
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Can recommend the Scorpio as an easy learner bike. Cause I'm learning on one. Easy clutch, smooth throttle, light weight, great fuel economy, easy start (with kickstart backup!), and cheap brand new.
Forum whore
The Scorpio seems to have finally toppled the GN from top spot as best learner bike! They are as good as everyone says they are and I wouldn't recommend a 125 these days. Our tennant is still using his one as a commuter to work and has no plans to sell it.
They look good too.
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ignore the kms, it means almost nothing. you want to look for a bike in good condition that has been looked after, and is tidy enough to reflect that. If possible a service history as well is a bonus.
Dont even bother with a 125, the difference between them is minor enough that screwing up wont make a difference whether youre on a 125 or a 250. just get the 225. The only time Id suggest someone get a 125, is if they lived somewhere where they would simply NEVER go on a road with a limit of more than 50km/hr. just my opinion. get the scorpio.
Of course if you insist on something smaller, you could look at an R15, for only a couple hundred bucks more brand spanking new, injected etc etc.
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the GN has always been a piece of shit.
scorpio is alright....
Honda NXR 125. the. best. bike. learner. or pro. love love love it.
and i have ridden all of them + more. NXR wins hands down
Hardcore Biker
Eyeballed the scorpio that I had my eyes on for a while today.
Overall not bad. There was a crack in the front mudguard, and bit of scraping on the right side, mainly on the headlamp and instruments etc. Headlamp is cracked also.
Also the right fork had been re-straightened. Seems that not only has it been dropped, its hit something pretty hard too.
Rust all over the handlebars, I suspect he used either old or doctored photos, because it doesn't show up in the ad at all. Said he keeps it outside and doesn't bother very often with a covering.
Produced the log, has done 15000k and it has been serviced every 5000k's very nicely.
Tire tread is worn in the middle, but not much at all at the edges. Will probably need new tires in a few months.
I brought my uncle along who has been riding for some 30 years (got most of the above info from him) He reckons that A) its underpowered for a 225. Has only got marginally more go then some 125's. B) The brakes are quite weak. i'd be relying on engine braking for the majority of my stopping power.
Should I let this one go as its fork as been realigned/straightened? and that I could get just as much go from a decent 125?
then upgrade in 6 months when on restricted?
Forum whore
your uncles opinion may be influenced by whatever he rides, how much are you wanting to spend?? our vtr would be worth around 3k if i was looking at selling it, it would be a better bike than a scorpio imho
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The Scorpio is a good choice for a first bike. They scoot along fine and I found the brakes suit the bikes performance perfectly. A good bike to learn the ins and outs on general m/c maintinence as well.
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