40 demerits is it worth it?

**130wide** · 11th December 2003, 13:30

You do the runner before the cop sees you, not while he's been sitting behind you taking notes Doh. If the cop is coming the oppisite way no problems by the time he's turned your gone, just make sure you know where to hide up the road and sit for 30-40 mins till it clears.
Has worked for me a few times.

**scumdog** · 12th December 2003, 08:46

A couple of points: if you get to the stage that Jackrat suggested ("pay it off at $10 week") it will cost you heaps as buy the time you get to that stage a whole lot more "costs" have been added.

Also about this thing where "I was within 100 or 200 metres of the sign", it use to be tha cops had a gentlemans agreement not to ping anyone within 250 metres of any change in speed limit, however Joe Public screws it up for the rest of us by defending his ticket by going back to the spot where he got pinged and measured the distance from the sign and claiming he "was only 247 metres from the sign which is less than the required 250 metres so you can't do me" - the judge threw that out and he had to pay and one of the cop bosses turned around and said "screw them, we don't HAVE to cut them that 250 metre "buffer", we can do them as soon as they are inside the lower speed" and that people, is how come you can be "done" when you aren't far inside the 50 or 70 or whatever if your'e still too fast.
Marry Christmas

**Marcus** · 12th December 2003, 09:50

A friend, who wears a uniform (not a cop though) told me that, to be legal, there must be two speed signs, one each side of the road and parallel to each other showing the limit.

I'm not sure of the actual legal stuff but, on checking various roadworks around Wellington, a number have only one sign, whereas all the fixed signs are parallel and one each side.

I've also seen a number of temporary limits with two parallel signs and one each side or the road but facing different directions and with different limits (into and out of the temp zone).

Anyone know more about this?

**Jackrat** · 12th December 2003, 10:18

Scumdog,Yeah you have a point,one could just let them wipe their feet on ya,.
I bet the Gov,t would just love that,a free hand to do what ever they liked.As to your comment it will cost heaps,,I was charged with careless use three years ago,After draging it out for twelve months I walked out of court $300 down and I still had my licence.
Had I copped it like a good little boy I would have lost my licence and still had to pay the same.For me to have lost my licence at that stage would have cost me around $300 a day.
One up to the Rat I would say.

**Coldkiwi** · 12th December 2003, 13:16

Originally posted by Jackrat

You would be amazed how fast it is to see and remember a plate if you have been trained to do so

hehe, you haven't seen 130wide's bike have you jack? he's got a little modification for just such occasions but I'll say no more other than the cop would need a very long neck to see it

valid point though for the rest of us unless you are good at popping wheelies on demand and still fancy getting away after doing a mono long enough to pull away so they can't read your plate!

**scumdog** · 12th December 2003, 18:11

Originally Posted by Jackrat

Scumdog,Yeah you have a point,one could just let them wipe their feet on ya,.
I bet the Gov,t would just love that,a free hand to do what ever they liked.As to your comment it will cost heaps,,I was charged with careless use three years ago,After draging it out for twelve months I walked out of court $300 down and I still had my licence.
Had I copped it like a good little boy I would have lost my licence and still had to pay the same.For me to have lost my licence at that stage would have cost me around $300 a day.
One up to the Rat I would say.

Jackrat, what I was trying to say regarding the paying off of fines is that AFTER you realise you are going to have to pay the fine (by being found guilty/admitting your guilt) AND you get to the stage where you can "pay it off" you have already gone down the road a bit to the point the Court is going to add costs to the fine - check it out (I MAY be wrong but in my experience a whole shit load of paperwork has gone out to you hinting you might like to pay up before you get to the "pay it off" situation, i.e. Judgement Debtor etc.

**Jackrat** · 13th December 2003, 11:07

Originally Posted by scumdog

Jackrat, what I was trying to say regarding the paying off of fines is that AFTER you realise you are going to have to pay the fine (by being found guilty/admitting your guilt) AND you get to the stage where you can "pay it off" you have already gone down the road a bit to the point the Court is going to add costs to the fine - check it out (I MAY be wrong but in my experience a whole shit load of paperwork has gone out to you hinting you might like to pay up before you get to the "pay it off" situation, i.e. Judgement Debtor etc.

Once the coppers request a court date you should no longer receive any more reminders.
I don,t totaly disagree with your point of view.
I am/was looking at it from the point of view of preserving your licence,rather than the up front costs.Or I may just be trying to save. face.

That brings up another issue that am sure you will be aware of.
LEGAL AID,,This one really gets up me nose.
We resently had a young over seas student apply for and receive legal aid,all the while his parents are trying to buy off the victims family to the tune of $40,000.There must be something wrong with THAT picture.

**Redstar** · 16th December 2003, 22:07

Thanks for all the advice both legal technical and waste of time.
I recon I'll pay up and move on but hell its getting really boreing
why cant the police consentrate on real crime think how safe we would be if the real police were half as effective? Traffic cops are dicks frankly

**igor** · 17th December 2003, 16:22

Originally Posted by Jackrat

Red,In the situation you have described I would definately do as Mike sujests.If you have no luck there,Then take it to court,(THEY HATE THAT) First Time up use the duty solicitor to enter a no plea,
(They hate that too).This will give you time to apply for legal aid,(They hate that even more)So far this should cost you nothing,
When you go to court for the second Time enter,No plea again and demand full disclosure of all evidence by the cop involed,By the way you should by this time have applyed to have the case heard in your local court as well,(make em, work for it.)This is your right so use it.On your third court date you will have all the evidence and detailed statment from the copper involved.You and your legal aid rep, can now argue every point of evidence,Things to look for in the cops statment is time of offence,If the cop has not stated the offence took place at appoximately a time,but rather stated a set time,you can challenge his time keeping.
This may sound like a small thing but it works, as the cop is not allowed to state a set time,His speed gun evidence is only a very small part of the picture,Challange his perseption of weather conditions,Challange the positioning of the road signs.
If you have even a half assed lawyer they will know these things
already.
Mate it may sound a bit far fetched but,I recevied training from the Australian Fedrel Police along with NIRTC,The fore most investigation and research training school in Australasia.
If you can draw it out an screw them around enough they will give it up as the costs to them are to high.If by chance you end up with a crap lawyer you can sack him in court and get yet another continuance.(They hate that more than anything)but it is your right so use it.If you do wish to do this,do so as soon as you are called to the bench,You do not have to give reason even if the Judge asks for it,Just be polite is all.If you play your cards right you will have the cop having to travel to your local court,not his,You won,t pay a thing in lawyers fees,You will cause the cop to write out his statement in triplicate along with any evidence he may have.Your appearance in court costs the state around $600 a time and you can only ever be made to pay a very small amount of that if you do lose.And then if they don,t get sick of being messed about,as a last resort you plea (no contest) just to let them know they have been played.Remember the fine can,t go up
so what do you have to lose??

man u r anal, go back to aussie.

it is in police policy that no ticket shall b issued within 250 metres of a posted speed change.

thats if u were actually checked within 250m of limit change

**igor** · 17th December 2003, 16:25

Originally Posted by Jackrat

Scumdog,Yeah you have a point,one could just let them wipe their feet on ya,.
I bet the Gov,t would just love that,a free hand to do what ever they liked.As to your comment it will cost heaps,,I was charged with careless use three years ago,After draging it out for twelve months I walked out of court $300 down and I still had my licence.
Had I copped it like a good little boy I would have lost my licence and still had to pay the same.For me to have lost my licence at that stage would have cost me around $300 a day.
One up to the Rat I would say.

is that a chip on ya shoulder or ya head

only a halfwit would lose there licence for Careless Driving, most are fines around $200

**Jackrat** · 17th December 2003, 16:32

Originally Posted by igor

is that a chip on ya shoulder or ya head

only a halfwit would lose there licence for Careless Driving, most are fines around $200

An if I want to hear somebody moaning to me I would come around an fuck your mother.BUT

**Nouseforaname** · 17th December 2003, 16:34

Originally Posted by igor

only a halfwit would lose there licence for Careless Driving, most are fines around $200

Well then...... i lost my licence for 6months for dangerous driving, i get it back it 4 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plus my fine was $430.....

Im not a half-wit but i still managed

**igor** · 17th December 2003, 16:36

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

When you write to the cops, ask the purpose of the speed restriction. If it was for new seal, there's a time limit that the signs may be up. If it was for another purpose, check if it tallies with the situation at the time, eg. were works actually going on.
Don't just accept it and be another Governmentally sodomised cash machine.
Lou

the time limit for new seal

**igor** · 17th December 2003, 16:41

Originally Posted by Nouseforaname

Well then...... i lost my licence for 6months for dangerous driving, i get it back it 4 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plus my fine was $430.....

Im not a half-wit but i still managed

yes that cause the minimum disqualification for dangerous driving is 6 months disqualification. also u could of been sent to prison for up to 3 months and a maximum fine of $4500. Dangerous is heard b a District Court Judge.

where as careless driving has a maximum fine of $3000 and a disqualification at the courts discretion. These matters r usually heard b4 a Community magistrate who is softer than a Judge and only disqualifies halfwits with huge previous history

P.S. Pays to read something b4 u answer so u don't look like a halfwit for replying with a stoooopid answer

**igor** · 17th December 2003, 16:47

Originally Posted by Jackrat

An if I want to hear somebody moaning to me I would come around an fuck your mother.BUT

at least i know me mother. unlike u i ant a six finger banjo playing web footed bush lawyer boy.

stop wharring on with shit unless ya know what ya talking about or r also the Iraqi minister of mis information

PS change ya non de plume to "Jackass" its more fitting

over and out