Increase the CC bracket for rego to "0->650cc"

[Oblivion]

I was thinking about this for a while. About how we should include 650cc bikes and less in the less expensive rego bracket. Because people who own bikes like the Hyosung GT650, Mom's Bandit, and the SV650, are being screwed by ACC and their rego costs, when their bikes have less horsies than the big 600cc I4 down the street.
Seriously....Its not like 50cc difference is the difference between life or death or anything like that.

That, or we could scrap the whole "CC" based rego system, and move onto a ~hp based one, where 0~60hp is one bracket, 60~120hp is the medium cost bracket, and 120hp onwards is the most expensive bracket.

This way, people with the most high cc, but low power bikes, don't get screwed over by the incompetence that we call ACC

Because it seems to me that there are alot of high cc supersport bikes on tardme recently, all under the same heading of rider "lost control"

Opinions anyone?

Not sure if this is a repost or anything though... My limited brain couldn't find anything on it though

[Little Miss Trouble]

I was thinking about this for a while. About how we should include 650cc bikes and less in the less expensive rego bracket. Because people who own bikes like the Hyosung GT650, Mom's Bandit, and the SV650, are being screwed by ACC and their rego costs, when their bikes have less horsies than the big 600cc I4 down the street.
Seriously....Its not like 50cc difference is the difference between life or death or anything like that.

That, or we could scrap the whole "CC" based rego system, and move onto a ~hp based one, where 0~60hp is one bracket, 60~120hp is the medium cost bracket, and 120hp onwards is the most expensive bracket.

This way, people with the most high cc, but low power bikes, don't get screwed over by the incompetence that we call ACC

Because it seems to me that there are alot of high cc supersport bikes on tardme recently, all under the same heading of rider "lost control"

Opinions anyone?

Not sure if this is a repost or anything though... My limited brain couldn't find anything on it though

I don't like your system
My 599cc bike reportedly puts out 123ponies. If I get a dyno report to prove Yamaha were probably being optimistic can I go into the lower group? What if I subsequently add some extra go fast bits?

Never mind that the current system is a load of shit that we shouldn't be accepting anyway... Got both my renewal notices today, $198.46 worth of ACC levy for my car, and $297.70 for my bike, and I STILL haven't figured out how to use em both at the same time!

[Oblivion]

I don't like your system
My 599cc bike reportedly puts out 123ponies. If I get a dyno report to prove Yamaha were probably being optimistic can I go into the lower group? What if I subsequently add some extra go fast bits?

Never mind that the current system is a load of shit that we shouldn't be accepting anyway... Got both my renewal notices today, $198.46 worth of ACC levy for my car, and $297.70 for my bike, and I STILL haven't figured out how to use em both at the same time!

You can easily change it. I think I was maybe being a bit too optimistic about the second group. Maybe having an upper limit of 90-100hp would be better?

[Little Miss Trouble]

You can easily change it. I think I was maybe being a bit too optimistic about the second group. Maybe having an upper limit of 90-100hp would be better?

My point actually was, which ever way you dick around with choosing the way to divide up the group is WRONG, ACC was never supposed to have variable levies based on 'risk'

Borrowed from another thread:

As soon as a govt of the past introduced variable levies based on actual cost (in the workplace, say) the Woodhouse Principle/s were compromised.
Woodhouse proposed that everything we do carries some sort of variable risk, that some individuals would be a higher risk than others doing the same job/activity...but overall, society benefited in ways that offset any increase in costs for specific activities. Therefore - one fee fits all, for the benefit of all.

[skinman]

yep I totally agree. No way a 1600cc Harley can go as fast as a 1000cc superbike, or even my 800 is slower than most IL4 650s

[Gubb]

Thing that still gets me is that a S40 Boulevard, or an SV650 is more expensive than any of the Supersport 600's.

You fucking hooligans.

[Oblivion]

My point actually was, which ever way you dick around with choosing the way to divide up the group is WRONG, ACC was never supposed to have variable levies based on 'risk'

Borrowed from another thread:

But, the way that ACC has turned into a super conglomeration of a corporation who only hired idiots and assholes with handwritten degrees on the back of old McDonalds boxes, the Woodhouse principles will never come back into effect. No matter how much preaching we, as bikers, will never get the same treatment as other road users. All they want is our money. That's fact.

Well, maybe if the next PM was a biker we might get treated better

[FJRider]

For those that can't reason their reason ... $$$$$$$$$$$$

[Oblivion]

For those that can't reason their reason ... $$$$$$$$$$$$

Like I said. Idiots and assholes

[Ocean1]

What made you think there had to be a logical policy involved? It's a cash grab, pure and simple, the capacity cut-off is there 'cause it's easy and it's easily quantified. What matters is that all dem stinkin' rich big bike riders are relieved of some of that loose change.

[bogan]

What made you think there had to be a logical policy involved? It's a cash grab, pure and simple, the capacity cut-off is there 'cause it's easy and it's easily quantified. What matters is that all dem stinkin' rich big bike riders are relieved of some of that loose change.

yup, and they figured that owners of high cc bikes earn more money (it's actually the main component in their justification for the split), so can grab more money from them.

[crazzed]

and soon you will be able to pay the top bracket rego on your learners

[Oblivion]

and soon you will be able to pay the top bracket rego on your learners

170hp 250cc bike.

Where's mine?

[Little Miss Trouble]

Thing that still gets me is that a S40 Boulevard, or an SV650 is more expensive than any of the Supersport 600's.

You fucking hooligans.

Well they should've been smart and got rid of the 650 in favour of a 600 like I did then. More power yes, but also much better suspension and brakes than the sack of shit SV I used to own

[tigertim20]

I was thinking about this for a while. About how we should include 650cc bikes and less in the less expensive rego bracket. Because people who own bikes like the Hyosung GT650, Mom's Bandit, and the SV650, are being screwed by ACC and their rego costs, when their bikes have less horsies than the big 600cc I4 down the street.
Seriously....Its not like 50cc difference is the difference between life or death or anything like that.

That, or we could scrap the whole "CC" based rego system, and move onto a ~hp based one, where 0~60hp is one bracket, 60~120hp is the medium cost bracket, and 120hp onwards is the most expensive bracket.

This way, people with the most high cc, but low power bikes, don't get screwed over by the incompetence that we call ACC

Because it seems to me that there are alot of high cc supersport bikes on tardme recently, all under the same heading of rider "lost control"

Opinions anyone?

Not sure if this is a repost or anything though... My limited brain couldn't find anything on it though

problem with your theory though is the whole power to weight, horsepower based is no better than cc based, as there are a few high horse bikes that need the horses cos theyre fucking heavy.

And lets go back to the basics.

ACC WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A NO FAULT SYSTEM.

People need to stop coming up with strategies for LETTING acc fuck us in the ass, and keep fighting. unles cars are ALSO going to have similar costs etc, then theres no reason for bikes to have them.