General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

**oneofsix** · 2nd May 2011, 14:12

Originally Posted by bogan

Satan commands the bears to smear their super lubricating (on account of all the blood they eat) crap in unavoidable accident spot on our highways! It all makes sense now. Our bears are obviously expert at hiding, aussies ones ambush drop from trees, so it follows ours would be even more sneaky.

Everyone knows Aussie has bear, most believe NZs only native mammal is a bat, just shows how sneaky our bears are.

**ducatilover** · 2nd May 2011, 14:17

Originally Posted by bogan

Satan commands the bears to smear their super lubricating (on account of all the blood they eat) crap in unavoidable accident spot on our highways! It all makes sense now. Our bears are obviously expert at hiding, aussies ones ambush drop from trees, so it follows ours would be even more sneaky.

This bear is invisible!

**Tink** · 2nd May 2011, 14:18

Those that make mistakes intentionally ... ruin it for those that don't.

those that make mistake unintentionally still manage to ruin it for those that have not yet made the unintentional mistake, that they may never make.

Spin a wheel... it goes round and round and round and round.... like anything in life, things will never change unless you (one)... every person is accountable for their own actions, and that will never happen (or maybe it does happen, just not by everyone).

My point.... prepay gas.... locked homes.... locking cars.... putting your lock on your bike.... paying ACC .... we would not have accidents if society cared a shit about LIFE and living.

**bogan** · 2nd May 2011, 14:21

Originally Posted by ducatilover

This bear is invisible!

sneaky fucker eh, bet he's the kind that likes to put rips in seat too

this one seem much friendlier

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2011, 14:22

Originally Posted by oneofsix

fear dues Ed, he did shorten your original sentence.
Lot of people post about their crashes to get advice on them. Some over look what they did wrong but I don't think the first move of hitting them over the head with a 4x2 gets the point across. Talk nicely to them first and if they still don't get the point the n grab the 4x2. Also on KB you have to be sure you are answering the OPs issues and not some Chinese whisper that has occurred along the way.
If you scare people away from posting the stories on KB then the newbies don't get to learn from those posts.

I read such as from Terbang, Katie et al, and these are people who are careful, conscious riders. Others too, ride to stay alive, yet they have a crash. I asked Katman to be specific, who has the habit of crashing avoidably? - to explain himself fully, yet he ignores the opportunity to explain his view point.

There have been the occasional, very occasional, posts of someone who stuffs up through foolishness but they admit that. Others die and are in no position to explain why they crashed.

Accidents happen no matter how careful you are being and will continue to happen both to silly and careful people alike. I was able to avoid one for 40 years. Have I learned from it? Yes. Could I have avoided it? Theoretically maybe, realistically, probably not except to simply not have been there at the time.

**Katman** · 2nd May 2011, 14:25

Originally Posted by Edbear

I asked Katman to be specific, who has the habit of crashing avoidably?

Park yourself up on the likes of the Coro Loop for a summer's weekend and you'll see plenty of them.

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2011, 14:30

Originally Posted by Katman

Park yourself up on the likes of the Coro Loop for a summer's weekend and you'll see plenty of them.

Fair enough to criticise the idiot riders and I've seen a few in my time. However your posts don't target those ones. Nobody criticises you for making this point, but when you tar such as Terbang and Katie with the same brush and display such a lack of understanding... you see the point I've been making?

You can be as careful and concious as you like and still crash. There is a difference.

**yod** · 2nd May 2011, 14:32

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

Same way you do with drink driving or cigarette smoking.....that's working isn't it?

You're kidding right?

DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE, ok I won't drink and then drive.
DON'T SMOKE, ok I won't smoke.

DON"T HAVE AN ACCIDENT, ok I'll ride perfectly and never have an accident; not exactly realistic is it?

That's the thing with accidents; they're accidental.

**ducatilover** · 2nd May 2011, 14:33

Originally Posted by bogan

sneaky fucker eh, bet he's the kind that likes to put rips in seat too

this one seem much friendlier

Those seat ripper bears are fuckin' everywhere in Eketahuna, i was lucky to get away with half a seat cover per bike!

They like to be clean though

**Katman** · 2nd May 2011, 14:34

Originally Posted by Edbear

but when you tar such as Terbang and Katie with the same brush and display such a lack of understanding... you see the point I've been making?

Here's another one........

Park yourself up in the proximity of any motorcycle racing event and at the end of the day you'll see plenty of them.

Sound familiar?

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2011, 14:35

Originally Posted by yod

You're kidding right?

DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE, ok I won't drink and then drive.
DON'T SMOKE, ok I won't smoke.

DON"T HAVE AN ACCIDENT, ok I'll ride perfectly and never have an accident; not exactly realistic is it?

That's the thing with accidents; they're accidental.

Nah, couldn't be...

ac·ci·dent (ks-dnt, -dnt)
n.
1.
a. An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car accidents on icy roads.
b. An unforeseen incident: A series of happy accidents led to his promotion.
c. An instance of involuntary urination or defecation in one's clothing.
2. Lack of intention; chance: ran into an old friend by accident.
3. Logic A circumstance or attribute that is not essential to the nature of something.

**oneofsix** · 2nd May 2011, 14:36

Originally Posted by yod

You're kidding right?

DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE, ok I won't drink and then drive.
DON'T SMOKE, ok I won't smoke.

DON"T HAVE AN ACCIDENT, ok I'll ride perfectly and never have an accident; not exactly realistic is it?

That's the thing with accidents; they're accidental.

the problem with accidents or even crashes is that some, as said above, are accidents. Not many are accidents, more are misreading the circumstances or the other party changing what they are doing in a way that negates your avoidance action and makes a collision unavoidable.

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2011, 14:38

Originally Posted by Katman

Here's another one........

Park yourself up in the proximity of any motorcycle racing event and at the end of the day you'll see plenty of them.

Sound familiar?

So target these ones! Nobody would criticise you for getting on a soapbox and complaining about recklessness, but plenty will when you do likewise to those who are anything but reckless.

**onearmedbandit** · 2nd May 2011, 14:42

Thing is, it's not only the 'reckless' ones having accidents is it.

**oneofsix** · 2nd May 2011, 14:43

Originally Posted by Edbear

So target these ones! Nobody would criticise you for getting on a soapbox and complaining about recklessness, but plenty will when you do likewise to those who are anything but reckless.

+1 I will even chip in and help

but don't expect me to sit by and keep mum when the the wrong ones are targeted.