General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

**Spearfish** · 3rd May 2011, 11:00

Originally Posted by avgas

Bloody scary that people over 45 aren't grown up enough to know when they are too pissed to drive.
Its like 5 year olds not knowing how to count to five really.

I mean if you have had say 25+ years to train yourself not to get pissed and drive home. Darwins law goes out the window a bit.

Its strange how people cant make fundamental decisions when driving at 400 micrograms per ltr of breath but we are surprised they cant make decision not to drive in the first place at the same level.
Lower it to 0 the maths is easier.

**avgas** · 3rd May 2011, 11:03

Originally Posted by Flip

Come here and say that!
Anybody would think I was a honda rider.

Wanna pick me up in your British car and take me out to dinner......hehehe

**oneofsix** · 3rd May 2011, 11:06

Originally Posted by avgas

Bloody scary that people over 45 aren't grown up enough to know when they are too pissed to drive.
Its like 5 year olds not knowing how to count to five really.

I mean if you have had say 25+ years to train yourself not to get pissed and drive home. Darwins law goes out the window a bit.

the +25 years presumes they have been training themselves. Two things come into play here. 1/ are they the group that will never learn, possible through being alcoholics. 2/ are they being caught by the low limit or a misunderstanding of how much has been drunk, remember we don't have a zero limit and there has been this shyt in the media about how you can have up to 6 standard drinks, most probably cross the limit after 2.

**Spearfish** · 3rd May 2011, 11:07

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Maybe it all boils down to being honest with ourselves. Own the fuckup if and when you've honestly analysed the cause/s and determined what you could have done differently, which would have altered the outcome favourably.

I saw a little gem in a book I'm reading atm...it goes -

Thinking is hard work. Which is why a lot of people don't bother.

Is it fair to say some analysis cant be done accurately enough by the rider in question?

**marie_speeds** · 3rd May 2011, 11:09

Originally Posted by Spearfish

Its strange how people cant make fundamental decisions at 400 micrograms per ltr of breath

People don't need alcohol to make bad decisions.....some of the ones I have made sober have been absolute doozies

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd May 2011, 11:25

Originally Posted by Spearfish

Is it fair to say some analysis cant be done accurately enough by the rider in question?

Yep. It's also fair to say that some riders WON'T factor themselves into any crash analysis.

**oneofsix** · 3rd May 2011, 11:30

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Yep. It's also fair to say that some riders WON'T factor themselves into any crash analysis.

I find I go through phases, starting by blame anything else and then working towards what I did wrong. Being told I'm a f'wit, whilst it might be true, just gets my back up and delays the process. If the same message is delivered politely it can speed the process.

**Grubber** · 3rd May 2011, 11:59

Originally Posted by Katman

Clearly you haven't traveled through the Paraparas on the way to or from the Boxing Day races, or for that matter, the roads to or from the Paeroa street races.

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Extrapolate! You occupy, and can observe, one reasonably small part of the road. And then only one of the roads leading away from the event.
The wonder is that most of them get away with it. Most of the time.

There is always a cause. Sometimes what that cause was, is not possible to determine for sure. Zukin's death was one of those. SCU noted 8 possible scenarios - none of which quite fitted well enough to be sure.

Yes, it does.

He can't get to her though, can he?

Well this is all very interesting. I see you both have made assumptions on my part!
I have ventured away from most tracks in NZ over the years and on very small occasions have i felt that there was an idiot on the road. I have travelled in 3 different directions out of both Wanganui and Pairoa and have come up with the same result. I'm not too sure who you guys follow from these events but i don't believe it's the same ones that i do, or maybe you have a whole different perception of what a wreckless rider is. I just know that in all my riding over 40 years i have come accross idiots on very few occasions. It's not a world wide epidemic as you are describing it.

**oneofsix** · 3rd May 2011, 12:02

Originally Posted by Grubber

Well this is all very interesting. I see you both have made assumptions on my part!
I have ventured away from most tracks in NZ over the years and on very small occasions have i felt that there was an idiot on the road. I have travelled in 3 different directions out of both Wanganui and Pairoa and have come up with the same result. I'm not too sure who you guys follow from these events but i don't believe it's the same ones that i do, or maybe you have a whole different perception of what a wreckless rider is. I just know that in all my riding over 40 years i have come accross idiots on very few occasions. It's not a world wide epidemic as you are describing it.

I suspect it is a case of if you go looking for the idiots you can find them. Because you are looking for the idiots they then seem to be everywhere and the majority when in fact it was 1 or 2% on the whole trip. There is a bit of human phsyic in there somewhere, look for the good you will see it , look for the bad and you will see it.

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd May 2011, 12:25

Originally Posted by Grubber

Well this is all very interesting. I see you both have made assumptions on my part!

I don't believe I did. I merely pointed out that fact that you have seen '1 or 2 idiots' - yet you can't be on every road at once to see all of the possible number of idiots. So you saw 1 or 2...how many left before you, or didn't catch up, or went another way?