Should Katman shut the fuck up?

[Maha]

I thought it was your willie??

Some of his wishes will never come true.

[MarkH]

Here you go. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ek-in-hospital.

Care to point out where it is that I state that the accident was Terbang's fault?

Maybe not state - more imply.
You suggest that Terbang may have missed seeing the cars front wheels turning to the right (post#54) - unfortunately people no more turn their wheels to the right 3 seconds before making the turn than they use their indicators for 3 seconds first.
Sure, if the other driver turned their front wheels to the right and waited for a few seconds before moving then a rider might see that and decide not to pass, but usually the only way to be safe is to just stop behind the car that has pulled off the road and wait to see what they do.

The real problem I have with Terbang's accident is that for some time 2 bikes were following the idiot driver, when she pulled over to the left she didn't even think about anyone but her own dumb self and turned right across both lanes of the road, causing an accident. I have no reason to believe that she gave any warning of what she was about to do. I probably would have done exactly what Terbang did and I suspect that over 90% of KBers would have too. For all Terbang knew she was pulling over to let the bikes go past her.

[Genie]

Bikers as a rule need to start taking ownership

This sums it up nicely and this not only applies to bikers but to all mankind (and woman)

Personal Responsibility - go hard or stay the fcuk at home!

[MSTRS:Me]

This sums it up nicely and this not only applies to bikers but to all mankind (and woman)

Personal Responsibility - go hard or stay the fcuk at home!

Argh! No!
You mean we should take personal responsibility in every thing we do? Surely not. That's a step too far, MissLivesInAJar...

[Genie]

Argh! No!
You mean we should take personal responsibility in every thing we do? Surely not. That's a step too far, MissLivesInAJar...

I mean yes...yes one should in everything that ones does and MissSheLivesInALamp....lives by what she says!

[MSTRS:Me]

I mean yes...yes one should in everything that ones does and MissSheLivesInALamp....lives by what she says!

Right! That's it! The world as we know it has ended.
It was hard enough, having to be responsible just when on a bike...

[Latte]

Remember when we used to talk about motorbikes?

No me neither

So that's katman? Name's a bit misleading

[Gone Burger]

If you think I 'attacked' Katiepie then you must lead a very sheltered life. I responded specifically to her statement that "in this instance it reinforces my belief that some accidents are indeed unavoidable". That doesn't sound like accepting responsibility to me. (As we are all aware, she has since done so)

Yes, I am back on for a moment, as I'm having a really crappy day and this will fill in the next half hour of so to take my mind of some other things.

Sorry Katman, I've been through all that I posted and I can't quite find that quote? I am pretty hopeless at with the search function. But all I could find was the following that I posted:

"I do have much to learn, and I will take my time learning the basics again. In this case I feel that accidents can happen, and we can't always avoid them. I'll be back on biker later in the year, and going back to basics to get my head round it all again"

The words you mentioned sound too direct for something I would have said, but as I said, I'm not very up to speed with the search function and apologise if I am incorrect.

Did I see it as an attack? Hell no. The only thing I got defencive about in regards to that was the personal attack from many people who didn't have a CLUE what happened on the day, including me. No one was there. NO one knew the facts. The police were even still putting them together. I was yet to sort through the bits of information to try and piece some things to gether, and couldn't be more fucked off that I have such memory loss over this.

I agree, what I posted (above) was me not thinking correctly, too soon after the crash to have my head on straight about it all. And, as you are aware, I do take full responsibility for what happened. Even more so after going back to the crash site three times now, with the last one being today. I was saying this to my family and friends well before I posted it on here, and even before my latest outburst. I am trying to jog my memory as to the events that led up to this, and my where my mind set was. As this holds the key as to why I messed up so badly. I do not blame anything else but myself on the day. To begin with I said "I FELT that accidents can happen, and we can't always avoid them". This was early on in my recovery, when I was taking 18 tablets a day for pain relief, not sleeping, and staring at a fuzzy screen all day. I apologise and should not have made a statement on the matter at such an early stage.

I will be going back to the site later in the year, when I am back on a bike again to ride through the corner slowly. I know I had the skills to easily get around that particular corner, yet I stuffed up, big time. So, I will do it again and again (with a friend there for support, as I know my nerves will be high that day).

Not sure why I am posting this on here. I know I'm not yet string enough or tough enough for the abuse I might recieve again (let alone all thats in my inbox). But I'm a biker, that has a passion for biking, and have never missed anything so much as I am missing riding right now. I hope I get to that point where I can continue. About to watch twist of the wrist one and two tonight to pass some time. Looking forward to it.

[Katman]

"I do have much to learn, and I will take my time learning the basics again. In this case I feel that accidents can happen, and we can't always avoid them. I'll be back on biker later in the year, and going back to basics to get my head round it all again"

Yes, that was the quote I was referring to.

My apologies for not going back and finding your exact words.

[The Stranger:Me]

"I do have much to learn, and I will take my time learning the basics again. In this case I feel that accidents can happen, and we can't always avoid them.

Which of course is 100% correct. We can't always avoid them.
A fact that katman seem to have a problem grasping.

[Katman]

You suggest that Terbang may have missed seeing the cars front wheels turning to the right (post#54) - unfortunately people no more turn their wheels to the right 3 seconds before making the turn than they use their indicators for 3 seconds first.

If a car that you are following is seen to pull to the side of the road it should immediately become one of the major hazards for you to be aware of.

A car cannot perform a u-turn without turning it's wheels to the right. You need to make yourself aware of what the car's front wheels are doing.

If the car proceeds to perform that u-turn it suggests that the other side of the road is clear (unless the driver is stupid enough to turn into the path of on-coming traffic). Therefore, you will usually have the entire width of the road to work with as an escape route.

Options for that escape route need to be being worked out in your head as you approach the vehicle and will change as the distance to the car closes.

People are often caught out by u-turning vehicles simply because they haven't put enough thought into avoiding them.

[Katman]

Which of course is 100% correct. We can't always avoid them.
A fact that katman seem to have a problem grasping.

It's the words "In this case" that give the quote a different context to the one you're implying Noel.

[Ocean1]

Perhaps there is a growing resentment towards those that contribute to the extra costs, when a little care on their part could have avoided that contribution altogether?

If I told you I was going to beat the crap out of you and then remove one dollar from your wallet for every item of clothing your brother happened to be wearing at the time you'd no doubt abuse him for not being stark bollock naked?

If you feel the need to aportion blame then let's at least place it where it belongs, eh?

[BMWST?]

whilst your message has merit the method and timing of your missives leaves a lot to be desired

[Bonez]

Which of course is 100% correct. We can't always avoid them.
A fact that katman seem to have a problem grasping.

This may need repeating.