Motorcycle Advisory Council launches new website and brand

[Big Dave]

My taxes aren't fair Stoney, fix that will you.

[BoristheBiter]

>>Anyone who says their riding could not be better is an idiot.<<

Get fucked. Who wrote this? Kiwibiker?
I'm all for training if needed but there are many thousands of competent road riders who don't actually need to improve anything. It's not a racetrack as per the example cited.

I think it is a Symantec thing.
Look at the MotoGP, they practice as much as they can, do they have more to learn?
Possibly but i doubt it, but we all know practice makes perfect. So instead of saying we all need to learn more maybe it should be we should practice more.
Early on in my short riding life i went to CSS and was quite surprised by the number of older experienced riders that said they learnt something.
Food for thought? or not.

[Big Dave]

I think it is a Symantec thing.
Look at the MotoGP, they practice as much as they can, do they have more to learn?
Possibly but i doubt it, but we all know practice makes perfect. So instead of saying we all need to learn more maybe it should be we should practice more.
Early on in my short riding life i went to CSS and was quite surprised by the number of older experienced riders that said they learnt something.
Food for thought? or not.

Good point - Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying don't do it. Just that there are plenty that have done so - and achieved and maintain the core competencies needed for road riding. Nada idioto.

Me personally, I'd make all licences much harder to get in the first place and would condone a special competency test for bikes over 125 horsepower.

[bogan]

Mate what more can we give you...its all on that site and the ACC site.
The TOR has been public for months and months. It covers a lot of what anyone needs to know.
Rules now??? Your simply never going to accept its happened and allow it to actually get rolling are you?

I'm not doing anything to stop it getting rolling, in fact identifying an area of concern for bikers (unless it is just me?), for MOTO NZ to address may help (if it is addressed).
I think my concerns are valid, I don't want to see MOTO NZ being used as a way for ACC to slowly pull back on funding motorcycle safety initiatives and directly charge us for them instead. Nothing I have seen so far addresses that issue, and tbh, as somebody who "owns the options" I would like to see some sort of guidelines/rules put in to that effect.

That's one of the thing we have as a 'rule' is it cannot be spent on otherwise already funded projects.

That's a start (is this stated anywhere in the public domain?), but what about new projects that do exactly the same thing in a different region? Or discontinued then restarted projects previously funded by ACC? any rules for those sort of occurrences?

[Kickaha]

and would condone a special competency test for bikes over 125 horsepower.

It would be a lot easier just to ban them

[Big Dave]

It would be a lot easier just to ban them

You don't weigh 125kg!

[Ocean1]

that site is a formal govt resource and will be held to a far higher standards of professionalism

So a no ACC, Police or other govt dept input, then?

[Ocean1]

That, right there, is the attitude that lead to the shitfight/s in KM's poll thread and my Bitch about bikers thread.
The two sides are diametrically opposed.
Those that believe they have nothing to learn and no need to continually improve their riding skills.

You're a jerk. As usual, anyone that doesn't immediately accept your premise is either stupid or willfully criminal.

Yes, those you decry are indeed better than you, they find they're confident enough in their abilities that they dont' need to blame every other fucker for their own shortcommings.

Unsurprisingly, they also seem to be the ones that have no trouble minding their own fucking business.

[Big Dave]

Oceans - Edit PM'd instead

[Katman]

Edit: you know, there are also many things at which I am happy to be merely competent in the 'ordinary' sense. 10 pin bowling and juggling for examples.

What if you were juggling chainsaws?

[Ocean1]

What if you were juggling chainsaws?

It's a trick question, innit?

Wait... are you in range?

[Big Dave]

(Holds up eight fingers) 'Did it 10 times'.

[Usarka]

Last I heard - and this was nearly 10 years ago - there were no trained/certified motorcycle crash inspectors in NZ. Garbage in, Garbage out.

That's bang on.

Rule 1 - before you change something you have to be able to measure it.

At the moment the only stats that ACC (or the cops) have that are meaningful and therefore measurable are that x bikes crashed and whether they are single or multi vehicle accident.

It's all moot anyway, I simply don't trust ACC when it comes to stats. I've seen first hand how ACC create their own performance survey stats and it's a joke.

[MSTRS:Me]

You're a jerk. As usual, anyone that doesn't immediately accept your premise is either stupid or willfully criminal.

Please point out any post where I said that.

Yes, those you decry are indeed better than you, they find they're confident enough in their abilities that they dont' need to blame every other fucker for their own shortcommings.

"They" may indeed be better riders than I. Please point out any post where I said they weren't.

Unsurprisingly, they also seem to be the ones that have no trouble minding their own fucking business.

And yet you find it necessary to have a poke at mine...

I see you deleted two lines of my post quoted. Is that because you agree with them, and can't bring yourself to say so?

[Ocean1]

Stuff...

BD says I'm not allowed to abuse the comprehensively challenged.

So I'll be just over here, refraining from commenting on the local and various village idiots’ shortcomings.