Motorcycle Advisory Council launches new website and brand

**Usarka** · 16th November 2011, 18:32

Originally Posted by bogan

Despite the fact that only one of the guys on their site banner is wearing high vis, the impression I get is that is where it's heading, I really hope not as they seem to be in a research phase, and even a small amount of research would tell you that's not a cure-all.

Reaserch results are easily interpreted to fit the desired outcome.

**Berries** · 16th November 2011, 23:01

Originally Posted by Berries

I just had to renew my rego again so thought it was an opportune time to see what has been done with my last $30 and how much safer I now am.

I have to park on the street and have seen the wardens ticketing bikes for no rego so renewed mine online this morning. Pulled up at the lights on the way home next to some cruiser type bike and noticed the rego on his swingarm had 2009 on it. How I laughed.

Originally Posted by bogan

They just opened a new debate! I got a personal reply from Gareth regarding my questions on the last debate, but its confidential apparently, not sure why the reply wasn't made on the site debate thread.... maybe if I get in earlier this time! But reading the debate material, it is basically the same as last time, but in more detail.

Despite the fact that only one of the guys on their site banner is wearing high vis, the impression I get is that is where it's heading.

Me too, and I always have. What else is there? You have always been able to report problem spots, or cow shit, all you have to do is pick up the phone (or moan on KB for the slackers) so nothing new there. The March 2011 info they are posting might be of interest to some, but Sam has nailed it. Not one crash tells you why it happened which is the only thing of true interest if you want to stop it happening again. It is a simple output from the crash database with too much information missing. Information which is in fact available, like how pissed was the rider? Or the car driver who hit him?

Then I had a look for crashes I might know about and noticed straight away that the first two crashes down south were on the same street in Dunedin. Looks a bit suspect that one. Because of the random order the crashes are listed I can only assume it is by date and with only one line between them either it was a bad day on Thorn Street, which isn't quite our version of the Coro loop, or the data has a few problems.

EDIT - What do you know, I was wrong. There were two crashes on Thorn Street on the same day. I do apologise.

**StoneY** · 17th November 2011, 05:46

Originally Posted by Berries

............. or the data has a few problems.

Thats the one mate, that right there.

Morgan apparently thinks 250cc Kawasaki's being recorded as 2,500 cc kawasaki's is not a big issue
In a sample of 50 thats a HUGE discrepancy

Dr Lamb found no less than 7 abysmally incorrect entries in the 09 data
When he explained this to the MSAC (I got the good Dr a speaking slot with them) quite a few of our safety representatives on the council tried to find flaws with the Dr's analysis, one was even saying 'but he has only looked at MVA's (bike vs whatever else was involved)....
And that's what his paper was written on, MVA's DUH!

Anyhow, I dared to post the good Doctors information on this website, and was accused by some gutless runt in the council of placing council information on Kiwibiker - never mind Dr Lambs presentation had already been published in like 4 other journals and such worldwide and was publicly accessible info anyway..........

I had high hopes for this group until I saw the study into visibility issues turn to a hi viz focus, and the constant monitoring of what StoneY says on Kiwibiker was pathetic.

Kiwibiker is how I became known to them to start with, what the fuck did they expect?
This is where BIKEOI was formed and planned, this is where I (and they too) could openly liaise with NZ riders (the motonz website is a fuckin joke, I get so many complaints no ones answered my e-mail etc...) and while I had high hopes that it would cut through the government secrecy bollocks and just work openly with bikers, I gotta say.... EPIC FAIL so far Gareth and co.

The coro loop event, perfect example of the total waste of money to date by this group.
Shit on the roads and hi viz... ffs...
Lost direction is an understatement.

**oneofsix** · 17th November 2011, 05:52

Originally Posted by StoneY

I while I had high hopes that it would cut through the government secrecy bollocks and just work openly with bikers, I gotta say.... EPIC FAIL so far Gareth and co.

Open and honest group set up by an open and honest government. Cup of tea anyone?