Secret abortions for under 18s? Good shit.

[gatch]

As it is right now, I think I would be extremely disappointed, if my daughter chose not to talk to me regarding an abortion.

If it was a lighthearted decision made with little thought I would be further disappointed.

At the end of it all however I have no moral objection to these girls making this decision. As has been said numerous times, it's all a matter of perspective. I don't believe that embryo is a person. Certainly until it begins to some kind of mental activity, it is not a person. It has the potential to be a person, but is not one yet.

I think not giving people the chance to decide for themselves is more inhumane, than removing an embryo.

[Geeen]

Not commenting on the abortion aspect, but your argument re the relationship betweem mother and daughter is possibly over simplistic.

Perhaps the daughter has so much respect for the mother she doesn't want to be seen to be letting her down. Respect is a powerful thing and kids will often go to great lengths to respect their parents views - or what they perceive to be respect for their parents.

This is not a bad thing nor a sign of bad parenting.

This is true, But something you realise AFTER having kids. Good take on the situation by the way. 'Abortion' seems to be a word that turns objectiveness off.

[Edbear]

There are plenty worse things you can do to a human being than kill them.

The most humane thing you could do in a lot of countries is hand out condoms, birth control pills and provide free abortions.

Man's unhumanity to Man is well documented and we can see it even in this country. Torture is abhorrent yet a daily practice in many places. That will never alter the fact that abortion is no different and should be as abhorrent and should disgust us as much. No animal, let alone human being, deserves to be treated so callously and cruelly.

[The Stranger:Me]

As it is right now, I think I would be extremely disappointed, if my daughter chose not to talk to me regarding an abortion.

So were she to want one would you support her and respect her decision?

Would you be disapointed if she had one and you never ever knew about it? I mean, how could you be disapointed if you never even found out?

[gatch]

So were she to want one would you support her and respect her decision?

Would you be disapointed if she had one and you never ever knew about it? I mean, how could you be disapointed if you never even found out?

Ultimately the decision would rest with her. I'd like to think I'd support my kid in all efforts.. Excusing of course mass murder/rape or politics..

Well obviously if I never knew it would moot, innit.

However if you were to find out later on, 5 yrs, 10 yrs, 60 yrs later, whatever. It would make me feel as if I had let my kid down, like I hadn't made a good enough relationship to be able to talk about anything.

[superman]

Not commenting on the abortion aspect, but your argument re the relationship between mother and daughter is possibly over simplistic.

Perhaps the daughter has so much respect for the mother she doesn't want to be seen to be letting her down. Respect is a powerful thing and kids will often go to great lengths to respect their parents views - or what they perceive to be respect for their parents.

This is not a bad thing nor a sign of bad parenting.

Lol, now that must be an epic minority that want to follow their exact parents wishes during teenagehood.

So you're saying... the parents don't want their kids having sex. The kids respect them so much, but will have sex behind their parents back without saying anything? How is that respect?... That's just another typical relationship issue which shouldn't exist between parents and their offspring.

I don't agree with quite a lot of my parents positions, but they have lead me to believe they don't mind that I have my own opinion on things. Not conveying that to your children and instead just coming across with your views and not telling your kids they can have their own opinion is... well it's not bad parenting... but it's not good parenting either.

[racefactory]

More people need to be educated about the benefits of anal intercourse. The world has been practising this form of love-making as we call it since time began in response to the issue being discussed here.

[imdying]

That will never alter the fact that abortion is no different and should be as abhorrent and should disgust us as much. No animal, let alone human being, deserves to be treated so callously and cruelly.

Fact? That's not a fact, that's an opinion. As far as not deserving... how so? What did they do to earn that honour? Just because they're human? Because they were born? Because they were conceived? Gimme a break

[superman]

Nah, I like variety and a challenge.....
Sometimes it's worrying when a finger gets rammed up the old you-know-what, but, anything goes in the heat of the moment

My friend told me a story once of a girl who surprised him with a strap-on

[oneofsix]

My friend told me a story once of a girl who surprised him with a strap-on

talk about letting you know the size does matter

[Luckylegs]

For those who don't know how to Google...

http://www.abortion.gen.nz/procedures/index.html
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/unp...rocedures.html

So far no-one has said how reading the facts of the procedure has affected them. Or commented on the legal anomolies I've pointed out.

Here you go then. NOTHING, yep read it, sounded unpleasant for all concerned but it certainly didnt invoke the type of emotive language youve been posting. To be clear it didnt in the slightest change my views (pro choice)

...for context, i read in disbelief and overwhelming sadness about the five year old caught up in the drama on the gold coast/nsw and this by far invoked more feelings thinking about what she may have gone through (eg mental anguish etc)

[Edbear]

Here you go then. NOTHING, yep read it, sounded unpleasant for all concerned but it certainly didnt invoke the type of emotive language youve been posting. To be clear it didnt in the slightest change my views (pro choice)

...for context, i read in disbelief and overwhelming sadness about the five year old caught up in the drama on the gold coast/nsw and this by far invoked more feelings thinking about what she may have gone through (eg mental anguish etc)

"Pro Choice"? What about the poor baby's choice? Innocent victim killed in the most painful and brabaric way. You are truly heartless.

This is not just personal opinion, this is absolute fact.

Fact 1. The rights and health of the baby are not considered at all.

Fact 2. The killing is done without regard for the pain and suffering it causes to the child and the methods would never be lawful for a human outside the womb.

Fact 3. In the law is hypocritical as the killing is lawful based on whether the baby is wanted or not. If the baby is wanted the killer can be charged with murder or manslaughter, if not wanted the killer is protected by the law. No mention in law as to the age of the embryo or foetus at the time. So why can someone be charged with murder in the case of killing a foetus of any age?

[Luckylegs]

"Pro Choice"? What about the poor baby's choice? Innocent victim killed in the most painful and brabaric way. You are truly heartless.

This is not just personal opinion, this is absolute fact.

Fact 1. The rights and health of the baby are not considered at all.

Fact 2. The killing is done without regard for the pain and suffering it causes to the child and the methods would never be lawful for a human outside the womb.

Fact 3. In the law is hypocritical as the killing is lawful based on whether the baby is wanted or not. If the baby is wanted the killer can be charged with murder or manslaughter, if not wanted the killer is protected by the law. No mention in law as to the age of the embryo or foetus at the time. So why can someone be charged with murder in the case of killing a foetus of any age?

FACT 4. Youre right, theyre all facts. That the said facts are a problem or are wrong, is your opinion!

[Edbear]

FACT 4. Youre right, theyre all facts. That the said facts are a problem or are wrong, is your opinion!

Of course! Why is torture, murder, child abuse, armed robbery, bashings, drunk driving, rape, done? Because in the opinion of the perpetrator it's okay, of course!

Is this form of injustice, murder and torture okay in your opinion..?

[superman]

Of course! Why is torture, murder, child abuse, armed robbery, bashings, drunk driving, rape, done? Because in the opinion of the perpetrator it's okay, of course!

Is this form of injustice, murder and torture okay in your opinion..?

Murder - morally wrong in certain situations, but murder can certainly be justified morally. IE you murder the dude who murdered and raped your wife and child.

Robbery - you are poor, and you steal to feed your starving family? Not morally wrong.

Drunk Driving - idiocy...

Torture - very questionable to ever be morally right... though I guess if you had to torture a mass murderer to gain information to stop a future pre-meditated murder it becomes more iffy...

Child Abuse - is smacking abuse?

Bashings - beat up the person who put a hand on your wife?

Rape - no moral justification for this one ever... though I guess if a child molester gets raped in jail I'd perhaps turn a blind eye...

Stupid examples... but I think you get my point. Such acts aren't black and white wrong, there are all sorts of cases when certain things could become quite justified. Abortion especially in early stages is extremely justifiable.