Secret abortions for under 18s? Good shit.

[alley cat]

Edbear has a point though, do a Google Image 12 week old fetus search

I was always very pro choice, i supported a couple of mates who ended up choosing to have a termination aound 12wks and had no real feelings about it all.... Until i saw my first 12wk ultrasound.
It WAS a baby. Wriggling and jiggling. Not the unmoving bean thingee i had previously imagined.

It is a womans choice but a crap one to have to make.

[Ladydragon]

I was always very pro choice, i supported a couple of mates who ended up choosing to have a termination aound 12wks and had no real feelings about it all.... Until i saw my first 12wk ultrasound.
It WAS a baby. Wriggling and jiggling. Not the unmoving bean thingee i had previously imagined.

It is a womans choice but a crap one to have to make.

I must admit even that it wasn't the right time and I was getting extremly sick (personal reasons) even that my partner and I both talked it through very carefulkly it was the hardest thing i've ever had to do would not want to have to do it again

[Edbear]

Is my sperm sacred human life as well? If so I´ve killed more than Hitler and Stalin put together.

It's good question, but until sperm and egg unite and conception occurs they are not classed as a human being. That's why, unlike say, the Catholic Church, I feel contraception, as far as preventing conception occurring, is acceptable, but the "Morning After Pill" is not. As always, others may agree or disagree, but that's my view.

[Edbear]

I was always very pro choice, i supported a couple of mates who ended up choosing to have a termination aound 12wks and had no real feelings about it all.... Until i saw my first 12wk ultrasound.
It WAS a baby. Wriggling and jiggling. Not the unmoving bean thingee i had previously imagined.

It is a womans choice but a crap one to have to make.

That is the tragedy about it. People are not told the truth and have no idea what they are doing.

Informed choice? Not in this case!

[jonbuoy]

I always thought abortions were carried out when the baby was still a cluster of cells. Clearly not an easy decision to be made. These are pretty graphic - you have been warned.

http://www.clinicquotes.com/aborted%...re%20index.htm

[hellokitty]

All I can say is that I hope no one here, involved in this argument, finds their daughter in this situation. You really don't know until you are there.

I was 17 and madly in love with my loser alcoholic boyfriend when I became pregnant (while on the pill). Obviously there must a God up there because I had a miscarriage. I would have kept the child because I thought I loved this loser and my life would have been like something out of "Once were warriors". My life, and therefore the child's life would have been a shitty hellhole.

Don't judge people, you have no idea of what they are going through, and what their lives are like.

As I found out earlier this year when I had a pregnancy scare - it is a hard decision, especially when you have doctors actively encouraging you to choose abortion over adoption.

[Edbear]

All I can say is that I hope no one here, involved in this argument, finds their daughter in this situation. You really don't know until you are there.

I was 17 and madly in love with my loser alcoholic boyfriend when I became pregnant (while on the pill). Obviously there must a God up there because I had a miscarriage. I would have kept the child because I thought I loved this loser and my life would have been like something out of "Once were warriors". My life, and therefore the child's life would have been a shitty hellhole.

Don't judge people, you have no idea of what they are going through, and what their lives are like.

As I found out earlier this year when I had a pregnancy scare - it is a hard decision, especially when you have doctors actively encouraging you to choose abortion over adoption.

Genuine question. Why did you have a "pregnancy scare"? You know what causes pregnancy, you know that no form of contraception is 100% effective. Unless you are raped, you know that having sex may result in pregnancy. If you are old enough to know these things you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions.

Therefore if you get pregnant you are repsonsible for the life you have created within you. Your decision.

[terbang]

All good suggestions, but how many 11 - 16 year old girls are comfortable telling their parents that they are having sex let alone talking about holistic contraception? A lot of Parents would would either go in to denial or try and enforce abstinence. Neither reaction is very helpfull. I hope that when my daughter get to this age group she can talk to us about these sort of things. At the end of the day we have to trust that we've raised to to think about what she is doing and make decisions that are right for her. The same goes for alcohol, we are trying to teach her that is just another drink. You drink it because you like the taste and not to get shitfaced. Peer pressure is a powerfull thing and so is the desire to conform, its a rare person in that age group who can go against the group mentality.

Man I ramble...

Yes you do.
We have two teenage daughters, one (19) is coming out the other side and the other is 16. We have had our share of drunken rooting with dodgey boyfriends . No pregnancy yet...

Like most teenagers, hormones race through their bodies as they transition to adulthood and prepare to fly the nest. They are certainly capable of making some good decisions but are also prone to some really dumb ones too. So a bit of parental guidance through this period wouldn't be wrong.

Rachey and I have a good relationship with both of them and with open lines of communication (now theres a point), we will help them through this confusing period.

[hellokitty]

Genuine question. Why did you have a "pregnancy scare"? You know what causes pregnancy, you know that no form of contraception is 100% effective. Unless you are raped, you know that having sex may result in pregnancy. If you are old enough to know these things you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions.

Therefore if you get pregnant you are repsonsible for the life you have created within you. Your decision.

Luckily enough when I WAS raped, I didn't fall pregnant. Because funnily enough, I wasn't expecting to have sex that night as I was a virgin and was not planning on changing that at that time.

But however, this is many years later and it is now 2011.
My husband has had a vasectomy as I am unable to tolerate the pill or injections due to medical reasons. I didn't have a period for 3 months, we assumed perhaps the vasectomy has failed (the bits can grow back!)
As it turns out, I am not pregnant - I probably have a tumor instead - we are waiting for hospital time to confirm this.

If I had been pregnant then I would have had a baby - doctors seriously advised against it and were actively encouraging me to abort. My pro abortion husband said he would support me either way - as it turned out, he was disappointed when we found out I wasn't having a baby!

[Edbear]

Luckily enough when I WAS raped, I didn't fall pregnant. Because funnily enough, I wasn't expecting to have sex that night as I was a virgin and was not planning on changing that at that time.

But however, this is many years later and it is now 2011.
My husband has had a vasectomy as I am unable to tolerate the pill or injections due to medical reasons. I didn't have a period for 3 months, we assumed perhaps the vasectomy has failed (the bits can grow back!)
As it turns out, I am not pregnant - I probably have a tumor instead - we are waiting for hospital time to confirm this.

If I had been pregnant then I would have had a baby - doctors seriously advised against it and were actively encouraging me to abort. My pro abortion husband said he would support me either way - as it turned out, he was disappointed when we found out I wasn't having a baby!

Thanks for the expanation. You have my genuine sympathy and I really hope things turn out for the best. We all have been through tough times and experiences and some worse than others and it is too easy to judge without knowing all the facts. Not that I was judging you of course, it really was a genuine question and I appreciate you being open about it.

When my wife fell pregnant with our third, I too, was disappointed as we had been making plans for the future that didn't include another child. I nearly lost them both through that as my wife hemorrhaged and Jenni had the cord wrapped around her neck three times, but of course as soon as I laid eyes on our daughter I was a goneburger! Subsequently I also got the snip as the Dr. said it was too dangerous for my wife to have another and with three healthy children we decided to heed the warning.

[hellokitty]

Thanks for the expanation. You have my genuine sympathy and I really hope things turn out for the best. We all have been through tough times and experiences and some worse than others and it is too easy to judge without knowing all the facts. Not that I was judging you of course, it really was a genuine question and I appreciate you being open about it.

When my wife fell pregnant with our third, I too, was disappointed as we had been making plans for the future that didn't include another child. I nearly lost them both through that as my wife hemorrhaged and Jenni had the cord wrapped around her neck three times, but of course as soon as I laid eyes on our daughter I was a goneburger! Subsequently I also got the snip as the Dr. said it was too dangerous for my wife to have another and with three healthy children we decided to heed the warning.

No worries I am seriously hormonal at the moment and alternate between being glad I am not pregnant to being angry that it looks like I will never have the choice. Hormones are evil.

I understand where you are coming from and yes, abortion is horrific, but I would never judge someone that felt they had no other choice. It is not a decision that a normal person would take lightly.

I do know a person who did use it as a (bad) form of contraception - she had 5 abortions before she was 20! Truly awful and strangely, something she just shrugs her shoulders over

[Edbear]

No worries I am seriously hormonal at the moment and alternate between being glad I am not pregnant to being angry that it looks like I will never have the choice. Hormones are evil.

I understand where you are coming from and yes, abortion is horrific, but I would never judge someone that felt they had no other choice. It is not a decision that a normal person would take lightly.

I do know a person who did use it as a (bad) form of contraception - she had 5 abortions before she was 20! Truly awful and strangely, something she just shrugs her shoulders over

Ignorance is bliss for some I guess... Our two daughters have had many difficulties in pregnancy. Although our eldest has our precious and now 5 year-old Grandson she has had problems in carrying a pregnancy and has lost two since to miscarriages. She's just announced she is pregnant again and we are all on tenterhooks that she'll succeed this time.

Our youngest has been married five years and is now on fertility treatment as she has been unable to conceive. It's sad that so often it seems those who don't deserve children are popping them out willy-nilly while good parents, (Jenni is a foster Mum), can't have them or have real difficulty.

[Ladydragon]

I always thought abortions were carried out when the baby was still a cluster of cells. Clearly not an easy decision to be made. These are pretty graphic - you have been warned.

http://www.clinicquotes.com/aborted%...re%20index.htm

I had another look at this tread which I told myself not to please explain to me why would you want to put graphic pictures up like that for people to have a look at.I had a quick look and yes it did make me very set.No person can understand what it's like to have to do what I had to do until the person is put in the same persision.

I also had to do it because of other reasons to health as I mentioned before and so many other reasons.

[The Stranger:Me]

I had another look at this tread which I told myself not to please explain to me why would you want to put graphic pictures up like that for people to have a look at.I had a quick look and yes it did make me very set.No person can understand what it's like to have to do what I had to do until the person is put in the same persision.

I also had to do it because of other reasons to health as I mentioned before and so many other reasons.

I have a philosophical issue with images of a very graphic nature.
I feel they desensitise people to the realities and thus are over the longer term counter productive to the cause they are usually being employed.
I didn't view them as a result.

May I ask why you looked when he noted that they were very graphic?

[Paul in NZ]

Sigh....

Funnily enough - people do get pregnant when they dont mean to even when they know what causes it. And its not always ignorance either - we are not perfect creatures, indeed far far from it.

What I've found is that often those who like to 'judge' tend to be the very last to offer help to those that do stumble and moan the loudest when misfortune comes their way.

Society has never found a fail proof method to stop unwanted pregnancy and I suspect that wont change but vilifing women over terminations is not the answer - its usually the man who runs from the situation 1st.