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[Zedder]

Define "doing nothing wrong". This is a very individual definition. What you consider OK may not agree with what I do, or indeed the law. Do you want cameras in your bedroom to make sure that your sexual practices are legal?

Just because you feel you're doing nothing wrong doesn't mean a future (or curent) government will agree.

Doing nothing wrong to me means from a legal stand point. IE: Not breaking the law. If I'm not robbing, attacking, destroying property, raping etc etc. Ipso facto, I am being a law abiding citizen and not in fear of being arrrested.

[BoristheBiter]

Are you really this stupid or just trollin???

I have lost the ability to ride my dirt bike on public roads, we always used to ride along the beach all the time on sunny days you'd see people everywhere on dirt bikes riding the beach (always away from the public) and this was on a cop patrolled beach everyone was happy. This has been taken away!!!
You cannot modify your vehicles with the freedom of before all the older guys round that enjoy modifying will tell you this.

As for pedophile what is your obsession?, are you upset and think that because your interest has been banned (for good reason) no-one else should be allowed freedoms either? Your interest DOES affect other people directly, the freedoms we want DO NOT affect other people.

1) legally you have never been allowed to ride your dirt bike on a public road or a beach. It was not policed as heavily as it is now because as you said you always would be "away from the public" but you look at the beaches now fuckwits everywhere (not just on bikes) flying up and down the beach with no regard for other people. And you can still ride your dirt bike on a public road or beach if it is a rego or wof.
2) you can still modify your vehicle to what every you want you just have to get the right permits for it.

As for the pedo bit you were saying that you can't get some items that have been banned in NZ because you don't think they are objectionable. I guess taking from your reply you object to this sort of thing but then I guess to others they might say their freedom has been taken away.

But you knew this already and were just trolling, or you are not as clever as i gave you credit for.

[Scuba_Steve]

Doing nothing wrong to me means from a legal stand point. IE: Not breaking the law. If I'm not robbing, attacking, destroying property, raping etc etc. Ipso facto, I am being a law abiding citizen and not in fear of being arrrested.

I could almost guarantee if I was a PIG & followed you round for a day I could quite easily give you at-least 5 fines for breaking the law. This is almost true for every NZer

1) legally you have never been allowed to ride your dirt bike on a public road or a beach. It was not policed as heavily as it is now because as you said you always would be "away from the public" but you look at the beaches now fuckwits everywhere (not just on bikes) flying up and down the beach with no regard for other people. And you can still ride your dirt bike on a public road or beach if it is a rego or wof.

So my freedom to use my bike HAS been taken away (I never said it was legal just my freedom to do so has been taken). And try getting a CR250 road legal with no degrading of it's dirt capabilities.

2) you can still modify your vehicle to what every you want you just have to get the right permits for it.

So right here the freedom HAS been taken away not all of it but it has still been taken

As for the pedo bit you were saying that you can't get some items that have been banned in NZ because you don't think they are objectionable. I guess taking from your reply you object to this sort of thing but then I guess to others they might say their freedom has been taken away.

But you knew this already and were just trolling, or you are not as clever as i gave you credit for.

I want freedom where it affects no-one else. A book like Karma sutra, or game like manhunt affects no-one else, pedo material affects the kids in it. It's not about if people find it objectionable, it's if it directly affects others.

Alot of Christians find evolution objectionable & evolutionist find church objectionable should we ban these???

[BoristheBiter]

So my freedom to use my bike HAS been taken away (I never said it was legal just my freedom to do so has been taken). And try getting a CR250 road legal with no degrading of it's dirt capabilities.

So right here the freedom HAS been taken away not all of it but it has still been taken

I want freedom where it affects no-one else. A book like Karma sutra, or game like manhunt affects no-one else, pedo material affects the kids in it. It's not about if people find it objectionable, it's if it directly affects others.

Alot of Christians find evolution objectionable & evolutionist find church objectionable should we ban these???

WTF?
So who has taken your freedom to ride on a beach? No one as it has never been there in the first place, you said so yourself "I never said it was legal just my freedom to do so has been taken".
Nothing has changed other than it now affects others and they complain about so you get told to fuck off.
So by your own words it now affects others so you should stop.

If you take the legal side out of it you are free to do what ever you want.

[Zedder]

I could almost guarantee if I was a PIG & followed you round for a day I could quite easily give you at-least 5 fines for breaking the law. This is almost true for every NZer


So my freedom to use my bike HAS been taken away (I never said it was legal just my freedom to do so has been taken). And try getting a CR250 road legal with no degrading of it's dirt capabilities.


So right here the freedom HAS been taken away not all of it but it has still been taken



I want freedom where it affects no-one else. A book like Karma sutra, or game like manhunt affects no-one else, pedo material affects the kids in it. It's not about if people find it objectionable, it's if it directly affects others.

Alot of Christians find evolution objectionable & evolutionist find church objectionable should we ban these???

Scube

No laws/controls can take in all facets of individual behaviour. They are there to provide a general basis to allow people to go about their daily lives with a feeling of safety.

Complete freedom isn't available in society because there's too many people who would take their interpretation of freedom/rights to the extreme.

Religion is a belief system only and not usually actionable, unless one is an extremeist Muslim.

[Scuba_Steve]

WTF?
So who has taken your freedom to ride on a beach? No one as it has never been there in the first place, you said so yourself "I never said it was legal just my freedom to do so has been taken".
Nothing has changed other than it now affects others and they complain about so you get told to fuck off.
So by your own words it now affects others so you should stop.

If you take the legal side out of it you are free to do what ever you want.

The freedom to do it WAS there, you seem to be confusing legality with freedom, it may not have been legal but the freedom to do it was there, the police would NOT challenge you unless you were a moron. We were free to use our bikes on the beach.
You are free to cross the road how you like, there is strict rules on how to cross the road, they are not inforced so for now you have the freedom to cross as you see fit.
I still have the freedom to ride my bike on certain dirt tracks, this IS illegal but for now I have the freedom to do it because it is as yet not inforced.

You asked for freedoms taken I have given them. You don't like it, that's your problem. They still remain freedoms that have been taken.
Your not gonna realise what you've lost till its all gone by the sounds of it.

[BoristheBiter]

The freedom to do it WAS there, you seem to be confusing legality with freedom, it may not have been legal but the freedom to do it was there, the police would NOT challenge you unless you were a moron. We were free to use our bikes on the beach.
You are free to cross the road how you like, there is strict rules on how to cross the road, they are not inforced so for now you have the freedom to cross as you see fit.
I still have the freedom to ride my bike on certain dirt tracks, this IS illegal but for now I have the freedom to do it because it is as yet not inforced.

You asked for freedoms taken I have given them. You don't like it, that's your problem. They still remain freedoms that have been taken.
Your not gonna realise what you've lost till its all gone by the sounds of it.

I think there is a major difference in our definitions of the word freedom.

[Hoon]

I think you are confusing freedom with 'ability to break the law without being caught'. The law is the law and just because someone decides not to enforce the law does not equate to mean it's now legal.

I could almost guarantee if I was a PIG & followed you round for a day I could quite easily give you at-least 5 fines for breaking the law. This is almost true for every NZer

Yes I agree. If the rewards outweigh the risk of being caught and resulting punishment then people will choose to break the law. However once you increase the risk of being caught to an almost certainty you will find that many will no longer choose to break the law in these situations (i.e. if I knew the cop was following me, he'd get nothing). Those that still do will learn the hard/expensive way.

So this is why I'm all for it. Not only will it catch bad guys but as an added bonus it will discourage others from breaking the law. If you are upset that you have lost your freedom to break the law should you choose too then sorry I have no sympathy for your plight and look forward to these 'freedoms' being removed.

[swbarnett]

So you are saying that it is alright for some pedophile to do what they do because it is his freedom to do so?

You've missed the point - As long as it does not directly hurt anyone else.

[swbarnett]

Doing nothing wrong to me means from a legal stand point. IE: Not breaking the law. If I'm not robbing, attacking, destroying property, raping etc etc. Ipso facto, I am being a law abiding citizen and not in fear of being arrrested.

Only until something you like doing gets made illegal.

[swbarnett]

(i.e. if I knew the cop was following me, he'd get nothing).

For short periods maybe. What if he followed you 7x24 for the rest of your life? You're bound to slip in to old habits eventually.

[BoristheBiter]

You've missed the point - As long as it does not directly hurt anyone else.

Have already been through this.

Since when does that have anything to do with freedom?

[scumdog]

You've missed the point - As long as it does not directly hurt anyone else.

So you're saying it's OK to do as you want - UP to the point of hurting somebody.

So a drink-driver should be allowed to drink and drive as long as they aren't actually huring soembody??

[scumdog]

Complete freedom isn't available in society because there's too many people who would take their interpretation of freedom/rights to the extreme.

So extreme complete freedom would be a kind of anarchy eh?

[scumdog]

Just because you feel you're doing nothing wrong doesn't mean a future (or curent) government will agree.

Suck it up baby - that's the way it has been for yonks and will continue to be for yonks.

Man I'm so pissed they shut down those opium dens...