ANPR vans

[Zedder]

obviously not a fagger, their working on making that illegal. Can't be into dirt biking that's already illegal. Hope you don't like racist jokes, they want to make that illegal. Guns, those laws are only ever going to get tighter.

Ain't no white fellas gonna take my guns away from me!!

[swbarnett]

Yes, you are taking it to the extreme.

Not as extreme as you might think. It has been freely admitted that there is no place for motorcycles in Sweden's "Vision Zero" policy of no fatalities or serious injuries in road traffic by 2020.

[Scuba_Steve]

Not as extreme as you might think. It has been freely admitted that there is no place for motorcycles in Sweden's "Vision Zero" policy of no fatalities or serious injuries in road traffic by 2020.

True that, importing of the better looking "dangerous" vans is already illegal, so I'm left scrounging round what's already in NZ when getting a new one. I wouldn't put it past them to one-day ban bikes for being too "dangerous" too, under their futile pursuit of zero road fatalities. After all it is only the "safe" cages that are bringing our road toll down.

Oh and look another freedom gone, The Govt has "censored" my choice in vehicles.

[Zedder]

Not as extreme as you might think. It has been freely admitted that there is no place for motorcycles in Sweden's "Vision Zero" policy of no fatalities or serious injuries in road traffic by 2020.

But we are talking about New Zealand.

There's a fair way to go before all the other death/injury causing activities are sorted out before motorbikes get targetted.

[Dadpole]

But we are talking about New Zealand.

There's a fair way to go before all the other death/injury causing activities are sorted out before motorbikes get targetted.

Fark off. They go after the easily identifiable targets first. Most people don't give a damn about bikes and are easily convinced we are dangerous. Recall all the "Hit them with higher costs" attitude fron Joe Public at the time of the levy increase.

A few targeted releases of 'statistics' had people convinced we were dying in thousands - at their expense.

[Zedder]

Fark off. They go after the easily identifiable targets first. Most people don't give a damn about bikes and are easily convinced we are dangerous. Recall all the "Hit them with higher costs" attitude fron Joe Public at the time of the levy increase.

A few targeted releases of 'statistics' had people convinced we were dying in thousands - at their expense.

Fark off yourself, you obviously haven't read that the home is the most dangerous place statistically.

[Mrs Shrek]

Doing nothing wrong to me means from a legal stand point. IE: Not breaking the law. If I'm not robbing, attacking, destroying property, raping etc etc. Ipso facto, I am being a law abiding citizen and not in fear of being arrrested.

Think back a "few" years to Russia before communism, freedom of religion was legal,when communism came into being it was suddenly illegal for people to read or possess bibles. Overnight "law abiding citizens" suddenly became criminals and feared for their lives. I am not paranoid but i see little by little our lives are being monitored "for our own good" as we sit back and allow it. A bit like cooking a frog, throw it into boiling water and it will jump out but slowly bring it to the boil and it will bask in the water until its too late.

[Gearup]

Think back a "few" years to Russia before communism, freedom of religion was legal,when communism came into being it was suddenly illegal for people to read or possess bibles. Overnight "law abiding citizens" suddenly became criminals and feared for their lives. I am not paranoid but i see little by little our lives are being monitored "for our own good" as we sit back and allow it. A bit like cooking a frog, throw it into boiling water and it will jump out but slowly bring it to the boil and it will bask in the water until its too late.

Yes, but Russia was in an absolute crap state and the Czar was needing to be got rid of in a big way.

I don't think you can compare Russia back then with NZ now.

Have you sat back and allowed things to happen?

[swbarnett]

What it is also known as is potential for a crash due to a number of factors you haven't mentioned and resulting in death or injury with all the downstream costs associated with it.

The important word being "potential". No government can assess the potential for an individual to crash in a given circumstance ahead of time. Seen Minority Report?

[swbarnett]

But we are talking about New Zealand.

There's a fair way to go before all the other death/injury causing activities are sorted out before motorbikes get targetted.

Yes, but it's when things are relatively good that the "Eternal Vigilance" that Thomas Jefferson mentioned is most important. This is when we have the potential to stop the downward slide.

[Zedder]

Yes, but it's when things are relatively good that the "Eternal Vigilance" that Thomas Jefferson mentioned is most important. This is when we have the potential to stop the downward slide.

I'll reply to the potential post first.

By heeding the potential that things can go wrong and doing something to reduce that (less speed, good lookout etc) you have a better chance of staying able to ride your motorbike and not be dead or in a hospital.

Also, don't think that by me being lawful that I'm not being eternally vigilant to the stunts of the powers that be, it's simply not inviting trouble, fines, death, injury or the like the works for me.

[Zedder]

Yes, but it's when things are relatively good that the "Eternal Vigilance" that Thomas Jefferson mentioned is most important. This is when we have the potential to stop the downward slide.

I'll reply to the potential post first.

By heeding the potential that things can go wrong and doing something to reduce that (less speed, good lookout etc) you have a better chance of staying able to ride your motorbike and not be dead or in a hospital.

Also, don't think that by me being lawful that I'm not being eternally vigilant to the stunts of the powers that be, it's simply not inviting trouble, fines, death, injury or the like that works for me.

[_Shrek_]

WTF?
So who has taken your freedom to ride on a beach? No one as it has never been there in the first place,

actually BB in the 70's & 80's we use to ride our bikes on the beachs on both Islands, even when there were people about (young & old) & thats some thing that has gone by the way side & it wasn't illegal, (normal road rules applyed) but the pc brigade & soft cocks that we have in power now just keep tightening the rope on us a little bit more each year

[_Shrek_]

I don't think you can compare Russia back then with NZ now.

what about turning normal parents in to criminals who smack their kids, or your wife/husband has guns & don't like it, (they take them away)

no mate same shit, just a different time & bucket

[Gearup]

what about turning normal parents in to criminals who smack their kids, or your wife/husband has guns & don't like it, (they take them away)

no mate same shit, just a different time & bucket

Attack of the Shreks!!!

The anti-smacking law has a large discretionary aspect to it. The guns with the wives/husbands scenario is an added threat that would be a worry to all concerned and I'd say the cops are erring on the side of caution quite a bit.

Pass the Vodka comrade.