ANPR vans

[scumdog]

Yeah, I use credit and debit - so what?

You're kidding, right?

[jazfender]

You're kidding, right?

Well I already know what he's going to say, I just want him to say it.

[Gearup]

FFS - the only thing worse than them taking away our freedoms (and it wasn't illegal to ride a bike on the beach until the powers that be deemed a beach is a public road) is to allow them discretion. It is either illegal or it's not.

So you'd rather it was an illegal act be it a token smack or good wallop?

Yep, that's really sensible and fair. Everyone, whatever the mitigating circumstances, is a criminal in your books then.

[Zedder]

You seriously can't see past the end of today, can you?

Today monitoring, tomorrow liberty restriction. I don't know enough about these fucking vans to tell whether they're good or bad yet and I suspect neither do you. That in itself is enough to prompt some serious questions as they're out on the road already and I don't remember any public consultation or discussion about them.



I did figure it out which is why I called you on it. It's a strawman fallacy, misrepresenting the argument and you fucking know it.

Nobody is saying that they want paedophiles to be able to go and fuck little kids and you are trying to use that to paint SS in a negative light - not only does that signal you're all shit, but it also suggests you are missing the point of liberty.



I accept that absolute freedom isn't available at this point but the current trend is tipping the balance towards safety over freedom.

Do these vans increase safety? Are regos are safety thing?

From what I can make out the vans are for catching illegal drivers etc (why should others pay and not them) and as for the regos, well it's a bloody con but apparently Bronz and the like are working on it.

[_Shrek_]

apparently Bronz and the like are working on it.

i'm sure they are

[pete376403]

Do these vans increase safety? Are regos are safety thing?

Rego is a tax, and there's nothing a Government will not do to protect its tax take.

[Berries]

ahh, I hear a well placed shot down the exhaust vent takes care of them.

You smooth talking bastard.

[BoristheBiter]

Terrible day.

Yeah, I use credit and debit - so what?

Well I already know what he's going to say, I just want him to say it.

So what else is there to say if you all ready know your argument in lose of freedom because of a camera van is flawed?

I see where you, SS and SWB are coming from but i just don't see this whole thing as a conspiracy.
Maybe you guys are right and the rest of us are frogs in a slowly heated pot of water i hope not.

Hope you have a better day today.

[Scuba_Steve]

From what I can make out the vans are for catching illegal drivers etc (why should others pay and not them) and as for the regos, well it's a bloody con but apparently Bronz and the like are working on it.

The vans will be brought in under "we can catch stolen cars" but after a couple years they will be used almost exclusively to find un-reg, reg on hold & non WOF's.
However they probably will catch a couple of stolen cars a year which they will then use to say "look it works" despite the 19000 stolen cars they didn't catch & had no real intention of catching.
It's all about the $$$ just like the speed scam.

[Gearup]

The vans will be brought in under "we can catch stolen cars" but after a couple years they will be used almost exclusively to find un-reg, reg on hold & non WOF's.
However they probably will catch a couple of stolen cars a year which they will then use to say "look it works" despite the 19000 stolen cars they didn't catch & had no real intention of catching.
It's all about the $$$ just like the speed scam.

Zey have zer gut plan ja?

[Gearup]

i'm sure they are

Reckon.......

[Zedder]

Reckon.......

But it's true I tell ya! I heard it from a guy who heard it from another guy.

[_Shrek_]

But it's true I tell ya! I heard it from a guy who heard it from another guy.

[Hoon]

The vans will be brought in under "we can catch stolen cars" but after a couple years they will be used almost exclusively to find un-reg, reg on hold & non WOF's.
However they probably will catch a couple of stolen cars a year which they will then use to say "look it works" despite the 19000 stolen cars they didn't catch & had no real intention of catching.
It's all about the $$$ just like the speed scam.

I have no problem with stupid people and those that take the gamble funding the government instead of me. Bring it on I say.

[jazfender]

So what else is there to say if you all ready know your argument in lose of freedom because of a camera van is flawed?

Wrong. I already know what your interpretation of my argument is because you set it up with that question.

I see where you, SS and SWB are coming from...

If you think the introduction of further monitoring services that are not put before the public are a good idea, then you have no idea where I am coming from.