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[swbarnett]

I'd be interested to know how fast those ride who moan and complain about getting speeding tickets "just over the limit." I'd take a guess that they regularly exceed 130km/h and completely ignore the speed limit except for considering the odds of getting caught.

You'd be wrong. There will definitely be some of the mindset of which you speak but there are also plenty of those whose own preferred speed is closer to the limit.

[Scuba_Steve]

I'd be interested to know how fast those ride who moan and complain about getting speeding tickets "just over the limit." I'd take a guess that they regularly exceed 130km/h and completely ignore the speed limit except for considering the odds of getting caught.

nup only breached that a handful of times in my driving.
couple times on Wellington Motorway, got upto 140 & was still the slowest fucker on the road back when everyone else was breaching 160
Desert road once (don't travel up that ways much) got to about 180 before a cop started following me, she turned off pretty fast tho once she realised who I was ... (there might be slightly more to it than that)
& there's been a couple other times else where but always where safe to do so

I travel at a safe comfortable speed. I have gone from one of the slowest people on NZ roads to one of the fastest & my speed hasn't changed, which for me is usually round 110-120 (highways/motorways) I have done this my whole life & don't plan on stopping anytime soon.
I enjoy driving, I love it! & I'd rather do it at a safe comfortable speed than an unsafe dictated one it'll keep me alive & driving longer!

[Edbear]

You both have points, but you may be in the majority rather than the minority who do habitually travel at higher speeds.

However you can't seriously say that 100 is unsafe and 110-120 is safe.

The thing with human psychology is that, and the lawmakers know it well, people will travel in general above whatever the speed limit is set at so they set it about 10km/h lower than they think is ideal knowing that people will travel about that much over.

Not everyone will of course as up this way it is plain that some drivers can't get within 10km/h of the posted speed whether it is 100, 80 or 70!

[Ocean1]

However you can't seriously say that 100 is unsafe and 110-120 is safe.

Then why does the carnage increse when speed limits are lowered, and vice versa?

The thing with human psychology is that, and the lawmakers know it well, people will travel in general above whatever the speed limit is set at so they set it about 10km/h lower than they think is ideal knowing that people will travel about that much over.

Dunno what books you've been getting your psych 101 from but you might want to get some different ones. Humans behave, physically according to their risk profile They drive at speeds that match that profile, lower the limits all you want the only people who's speeds will change are the small minority who are insecure enough to allow someone else's beliefs to control their lives.

All the rules in the world don't change human nature.

[oneofsix]

Then why does the carnage increse when speed limits are lowered, and vice versa?



Dunno what books you've been getting your psych 101 from but you might want to get some different ones. Humans behave, physically according to their risk profile They drive at speeds that match that profile, lower the limits all you want the only people who's speeds will change are the small minority who are insecure enough to allow someone else's beliefs to control their lives.

All the rules in the world don't change human nature.

I'd make one slight change to what you said. "lower the limits all you want the only people who's speeds will change are the small minority who are insecure" in their driving ability to only be surviving by the book. A spin off from the Top Gear theory that only shitty drivers are happy to own boring cars. Because they have no feeling for driving and can't drive properly they go for safety by numbers and fall for the propaganda.

[Zedder]

It's a bit simplistic to use risk profile or the shitty car/boring driver as reasons for speeders. It's a bit more complex than that.

Other reasons could be someone with a Type A personality who just has to win or a show off smart arse driver or someone who doesn't believe any laws apply to them.

[Edbear]

Then why does the carnage increse when speed limits are lowered, and vice versa?



Dunno what books you've been getting your psych 101 from but you might want to get some different ones. Humans behave, physically according to their risk profile They drive at speeds that match that profile, lower the limits all you want the only people who's speeds will change are the small minority who are insecure enough to allow someone else's beliefs to control their lives.

All the rules in the world don't change human nature.

I take note of what the Police, motoring interests and safety experts say, I also
my own studies to find where they get their references from.

The comment about the 10km/h adjustment was I think from memory a Police observation but Rastuscat or Scummy might be able to correct me or clarify that.

The fact is that the NZ road toll resists efforts to lower it for three main reasons. Driver innattention, driving too fast for the conditions and driving too fast for their ability. Speed, per se, is not the issue as many have driven/ridden at very high speeds including me. And I also noted that far too many drivers are incapable of reaching even 100km/h and far too many are unsafe at any speed. Witness the LOL I was unfortunate enough to have to follow in from Silverdale this afternoon. She simply couldn't control her car at 50km/h and changed lanes and took gentle curves at sudden, jerky bites veering left before veering right to go right.

Of course a lower speed is safer if that is the only factor.

[scumdog]

Humans behave, physically according to their risk profile They drive at speeds that match that profile,
All the rules in the world don't change human nature.

Hence why non-thinking unaware people speed up on passing lanes.

The 'risk profile' sez that the wider road is safer, ergo they speed up.

Numpties.

[davereid]

Hence why non-thinking unaware people speed up on passing lanes.

The 'risk profile' sez that the wider road is safer, ergo they speed up.

Numpties.

Yes they are the same drivers that pull out in front of me causing me to brake hard, yet if they had waited until I had passed they could have pulled out, and toddled along at their leisure without being in front of anyone.

But I guess they know that they get everywhere they are going entirely safely at 70 km/hr. So the chap on the motorbike they are about to pull out in front of must be doing 70 as well.

[Bassmatt]

Yes they are the same drivers that pull out in front of me causing me to brake hard, yet if they had waited until I had passed they could have pulled out, and toddled along at their leisure without being in front of anyone.

But I guess they know that they get everywhere they are going entirely safely at 70 km/hr. So the chap on the motorbike they are about to pull out in front of must be doing 70 as well.

ARRRRGHH I FUCKEN HATE THAT.
"I'm in such a hurry I cant wait 2 seconds for you to go past but I'm not in enough of a hurry to go anywhere near 100km/hr"

[rastuscat]

Right then (rolls sleeves up) I'm absolutely sick and tired of you coming on here with your dedicated and professional attitude to making driving/riding safer. You and your Traffic Safety Branch mates need to just bloody well back off and leave us alone.

.................and I'm sick to death of the whining about being caught doing things we have said we are going to catch people doing...........

[Zedder]

.................and I'm sick to death of the whining about being caught doing things we have said we are going to catch people doing...........

Fair enough.

[Ocean1]

I take note of what the Police, motoring interests and safety experts say, I also
my own studies to find where they get their references from.

Can't know what your own studies might have provided, but the other three usually have mutually exclusive views on a wide range of motoring issues, so I wouldn't be surprised if you were a bit confused, there.

The fact is that the NZ road toll resists efforts to lower it for three main reasons. Driver innattention, driving too fast for the conditions and driving too fast for their ability.

NZ's road toll resists efforts to lower it recently because little's changed in the design of vehicles, the road environment or humans recently. I know you like to blame people for behaving in ways you don't approve of, but it's not something you get to change. In a better age complaining about other people was, in itself risky behaviour. Would that were still the case.

Speed, per se, is not the issue as many have driven/ridden at very high speeds including me. Of course a lower speed is safer if that is the only factor.

What other factors were changed at the time Queensland introduced speed limits on state highways, other than the accident rate increasing?

Hence why non-thinking unaware people speed up on passing lanes.

The 'risk profile' sez that the wider road is safer, ergo they speed up.

Numpties.

You got it.

[rastuscat]

Why the big deal about speed enforcement?

[swbarnett]

Why the big deal about speed enforcement?

That's easy. The speed limit is an arbitrary number based flawed reasoning and emotional half-truths that has no relevance in the real world. The blind enforcement of which does nothing to improve public safety - the stated reason for it's existance.