Wheelie tips?

[Indiana_Jones]

Any tips for doing a take-off wheelie?
Did another one when pulling out of a driveway today by acciendent, Now I think I should learn how to control them

-Indy

[Motoracer]

Funny you should ask that cause I was just having a hoon on my Mate's FXR 150 and well wheelies had to be tried I can't wheelie it as in wheelieing it for a while. I can just get it up, hold it for 2 secs max and down she goes again (no sexual jokes please).

Heres how:

You just got to sit comfertably as far back on the seat as possible (just in the middle of rider and pillion seat area). Then pop it in 1st, get the bike rolling at about 5-10 kmph, then basically rev the tits off it and dump the clutch as you yank on the handel bars to force it up. The bike will come up real easy and you can easily put it back down by using engine braking. Practice for a while and you might learn to keep it going in the balance point. Unfortunatly I didn't get enought time to do this

P.S. On last Saturday night, if you saw some dickheads doing little wheelies while 2 up on the FXR in Queen St, that was me and a mate

[White trash]

FXRs are great fun to wheelie as you can basicaly do it a stand still, no high speed injuries.

Keep abusing it and it'll work. Just don't carry your technique over to a more powerfull machine or you'll wind up in traction

[Motoracer]

Hey WT, Since we are on the topic, who better to ask than you. Have you got it going in the balance point on the FXR150?

Oh yea, and I'll remember to not use the same technique on the GSXR, otherwise it'll be GIXXER as it runs away from under me.

[wkid_one]

Here you go - I posted this in an earlier thread

How to Wheelie

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For those that want to learn - an article for you (note: I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, good at this)

The basics, or can I wheelie my bike?
If your bike doesn't have a side car, or a trailer, it can probably be wheelied. I've wheelied dirt bikes, street bikes, and a couple of standards. I've seen Harleys, Goldwings, Katanas, and 125's all pawing at the sky. Yes, your bike can wheelie. Wheelies are made up of three parts. The launch, getting the front wheel off the ground. The balancing portion, riding the wheelie as long as you safely can, clicking gears along the way. This is the most difficult part of wheeling to master. And lastly, set down phase, placing the front wheel back on the ground as safely as possible, trying to place as little wear and tear as possible on your bike.


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1) The Launch
The launch isn't the most difficult part of doing a wheelie. But I'll spend the most time on this section, because this is where there is the most variation. The less power you have, the fewer your options are. I'm going to divide the launch into three sections. Rolling it on, suspension help, and clutch help.

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2) Rolling it on
This is probably the safest way, to launch a wheelie, but it doesn't work on an EX-500, or many older 600's. Simply put, just gradually increase your throttle while in first gear, until you are wide open. If your bike has enough power, your front wheel will just come up. I've found this to work very easily on a Suzuki TL1000s, and a Yamaha R1. Didn't work on my 93 900rr, sometimes works on my Kawaski ZX-11. Never works on my pocket bike. If you have a 600 that you want to do this with, just lower the gearing. With race gearing on GSXR600's this technique also works. With the stock gearing, no way in hell. So exactly how do you roll it on. Go to about 1/3 of your tach range in 1st gear, then in the amount of time it takes you to say one-thousand-one, have the throttle at full.

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3) Using Suspensions to help
Ok, so your bike won't roll it on, but you don't want to abuse your clutch. I'm going to talk here about things you can do, that basically assist the roll-on wheelie. This may take practice to work well, but understanding the concepts will apply to any bike. If your bike doesn't do a roll on wheelie, find yourself a steep road, and see if you can wheelie uphill. Is it easier? It should be. The reason why, is that your center of gravity, has already been moved back, lightening your front end. Once you get the wheel off the ground, it takes less power to get it higher.

Those first two inches are the hardest part. Before you ride your bike next time, put both feet on the ground, and push as hard as you can on the front end. Then let it come back up. Practice bouncing the front end up and down. Push hard, and let it come back up. While riding your bike, you can get a similar behavior, by using the throttle. If you whack the throttle open, the front end will come up. At its peak, if you shut the throttle down, engine braking, in combination with the weight of your front end will cause it to go back down. When it's at the bottom of its stroke, if you whack the throttle back open again, you can use the expansion of your front springs, along with your acceleration, to help lift the front wheel. In fact, it doesn't take much at all, to do this.

I'll use my GSXR with stock gearing as an example. I would get going in first gear, so the tach was at about 8500 rpm. Then I would shut the throttle down, then whack it back on. Tugging at the bars a little also helps. This snapping of the throttle is a much quicker movement then rolling your throttle on. Not as quick as you can do it, but I guess that the entire movement should take about 1/2 or less of a second. Basically, go from steady state, shut down, then full open. After some practice you will learn how to time it with your suspension.

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4) Using the clutch
So you still can't get the front wheel to come up? I actually find that clutching it up, gives me the most predictable wheelies than any other method. Why? Its much easier to do exactly the same thing over, and over. Basically get rolling in 2nd gear to an RPM of about 1/3 to 1/2 of your maximum hp. This is what worked well on my GSXR-750, with stock gearing. I would go to about 5000 rpm in 2nd gear. Pull in the clutch, rev the engine a time or two, to time it so that the throttle would be wide open and the clutch releasing as the tach swept 9-10k.

The next thing you know, your front wheel is way up in the air, and your RPM's are at about 8,000 with the throttle full on. At this point, I would have to roll off some, to find the balance point of the bike. As you learn to do this on your own bike, start out conservatively on your clutch release point, and gradually increase the RPM's each time you try it, until the wheel comes up so high you have to roll off the throttle a tad. You may want to cover your rear brake while you are learning this as well, in case you go too high. Standing up fast, will also help put the front end back down if you over do it. Remember these things!

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5) Shifting
Ok, so now you have the front wheel up. How do you keep it up? Shift! It's actually much easier then it seems. When you can ride a long ways in first gear without being full-throttle, you are more than ready to shift. My favorite way to shift, is without the clutch. If you haven't done clutchless shifts before, practice on two wheels first. To do a clutchless shift, apply upward pressure to the shift lever, while you are full on the gas, then just briefly snap the throttle, off an on again. This is the fastest way to shift. When on one wheel, you have to get the front wheel really high, to the point where you need to let off the gas from tipping over. At this point, shift! Balance and practice are both important steps here. Practice those clutchless shifts.

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6) Bringing it down.
So now your front wheel is going down. Either because you got scared and let off the gas, or you just don't have the power to keep it up. Make sure that your front wheel is pointing straight ahead, and keep the throttle open Wide! You want to set the front wheel down as easy as possible. If you chop the throttle, your landing will be very hard, so stay on the gas! Or if you need to come down, just briefly roll off the gas, then get right back on it again, until the front wheel sets down. Expect a chirping noise, and sometimes at higher speeds a bit of a wobble, but as long as the wheel is straight, it's not a big deal.

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7) Body position
Where you place your body during where wheelie can have some interesting effects. If you put all of your weight on your footpegs, and sorta stand up, I've found it easiest to get really close to the balance point this way, but it's more difficult to shift while in that position. My reasoning for why balancing is easier standing, is that I've noticed you don't have to spend so much effort holding your body in place, which is frequently done by your hands pulling back on the handlebars.

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Another reason, could be that your legs are better balance sensors than your butt. In any event, it's definitely worth a try. Hanging off to the side, was something I really started doing without noticing and I was always veering off to one side.

You might do this, so that you can see where you are going. When your front end gets way up in the air, you can't see over it very well. So you might have a tendency to lean over one side to get a glimpse around. What I found out, is that you can steer this way. To keep yourself, in the center of your lane, just hang off, the same as you would if you were riding with no hands.

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8) Does this hurt my Bike?
When you are first learning you will probably do more damage to your bike then during any other time. This is mainly because of missed shifts, or rear brake stomping, or anything that slams your front end down. You may bust a fork seal. You will probably wear out your steering stem bearings faster than normal, and you will definitely need to tighten your steering head down more frequently. You may also wear your rear tire slightly flat, as hard wheelie acceleration wears out the centers more quickly than normal. You will stretch your chain out, if you use the clutch method. Another detriment to the clutch method, aren't clutch wear, but clutch basket wear. The sudden force of the clutch plates against the ears of the basket can notch the basket. This will prevent you from pulling in the clutch, any time there is load on the engine. Of course, all sorts of fasteners may come loose a little faster than normal, I've noticed mirrors and other front end body fasteners in particular want to fall off. So check out em out frequently.

[Two Smoker]

LOL, would have been funny to see that MR....... Just remember IJ to practice in a deserted carpark before your start doing it from the lights etc.... standing start wheelies are harder, but just build the revs up to peak power reigion and slip the clutch, if its quick enough and powerful enough it should pop the wheel abit.... but if you pop the clutch to much it will bog down and go real slow (after lifting the wheel quite high....) and if you dont let the clutch out enough it wont lift.... Just listen to MT and MR..... they are the ones that know......

[jrandom]

FXRs are great fun to wheelie as you can basicaly do it a stand still, no high speed injuries.

wot 'e said. Get it rolling at about 5kph, pull the clutch in, rev right to the limit and dump it. Way hey!

Just don't carry your technique over to a more powerfull machine or you'll wind up in traction

Oh yeah, that too. Still, your mates might have some good stories to tell after your future 600 or whatever cartwheels away from underneath you as you land on your bum looking sheepish.

[jrandom]

if you pop the clutch to much it will bog down and go real slow (after lifting the wheel quite high....) and if you dont let the clutch out enough it wont lift...

You tried it on an FXR mate? Not quite as much poke as an RGV150, never any point popping the front if you want to shift off the line quickly. All you can do is loft it and trundle along pointing at the stars for as long as you can keep your balance. There's not enough power to accelerate through the wheelie in 1st.

Shifting into 2nd during a wheelie on the FXR is beyond my limited mortal powers. Could be done I suppose, that'd get you up to about 60kph. Phhhhhhhht. You'd have to balance it all the way though, it wouldn't hold itself up on the power.

[Indiana_Jones]

Thanks for all the tips guys, good read that wkid_one
Might praticse sometime and somewhere where it's empty

-Indy

[fritter]

check out http://www.garyrothwell.com/Gary_s_L...s_lessons.html

this is a pretty good guide for stoppies too

Obviously unless you've got some reasonable power you'll need to clutch it up, but the bouncing trick works on most bikes quite well (ie roll off throttle to compress the front, then whack it open (how much depends on the bike!)as the suspension springs you back up....

have fun hehe

[fritter]

oooo by the way make sure you do this on a SMOOTH road when you are first trying it out... I've hit bumps while around the balance point and only through sheer luck managed to land the bike down right way up

Even had my feet come off the pegs that day. I slid right back to almost the tail light. Lotsa respect for those 12oclock guys

[Jackrat]

Any tips for doing a take-off wheelie?
Did another one when pulling out of a driveway today by acciendent, Now I think I should learn how to control them

-Indy

Well if your planning on doing them on public roads try this.
Keep a sharp eye out for me,more so if I happen to be carrying a brick.

[wkid_one]

As JR said - how does this fit with the whole 'boy racer' thread that people are commenting on?? Is this not the bike equivilent of boy racerism?

[750Y]

As JR said - how does this fit with the whole 'boy racer' thread that people are commenting on?? Is this not the bike equivilent of boy racerism?

no, this is actually closer to hooliganism. for a start there's less wheels so only half the bling.

[wkid_one]

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