Oh come on

[Toaster]

So you you get a group of say 8 - 10 riders all with L plates traveling at the legal speed of 70km/h in a stagged formation ( therefore hold up 100km/h traffic ) , you are saying that they are breaking the law ????

Yes. They are breaking the law.

Their limit is 70km/h. That does not entitle them to slow up traffic flow that has a higher average spped than 70km/h.

If they wish to protest, then they would need to advise the police that they will do so. Holding up traffic is an offence if you fail to make way for traffic when you have reasonable opportunity to have done so.

That is how slow drivers got a bollocking or two when I was in the job. They were told to pull over and let others through or get pulled over. I never issued tickets for it but warned them that they needed to be more considerate of other road users.

If they couldn't handle it then it may well indeed be time for them to stay closer to home or hang up the keys. There is nothing more frustrating than having to queue behind slow drivers.

Being considerate is a trait lacking in many if not the majority of motorists in NZ today.

[cheshirecat]

Being considerate is a trait lacking in many if not the majority of motorists in NZ today.

Understatement of the month

[Owl]

Soooo who is able to not go above 54kmh or 104kmh

Just done 160km traveling at that speed and couldn't count how many cars I passed and no-one passed me. Very few are actually reaching 100kph.

[Spearfish]

Considering most spedos are around 10kph optimistic and cop cars are calibrated in our favour fractionally then 110 indicated is still well under...but mentally your going faster(?) so if speedos were 15-20 kph optimistic I wonder if many would notice?...

I would imagine there would be many new threads with the title "Not all cops are bad" with the text "I went past a cop today at 120 (on an optimistic speedo) and they didn't chase me!.....blah blah blah" must have been a good bastard....doughnuts were buy 6 get 8 at dunking D's today....quota was full blah blah blah

But to be told to travel at the real ground speed you have probably been doing all along....all hell hell breaks out...toys out the cot.....tree house burned.....ginger bastard made me do it...communists...sue braford sux...blah.etc

Maybe its worth fitting a speedo with a bit of safe Rossi factor?

[saltydog]

Remember the first big one they tried this 4k tolerance on? It pissed with rain all long weekend, atrocious conditions, hugely reduced traffic flows and they had the balls to say the death toll was directly related to the reduced tolerence.
Bullshit.
Less cars on thre road less accidents.
4 k's, bullshit.
What do some of the coppers on here think of this policy? What a prick to try an police?

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Remember the first big one they tried this 4k tolerance on? It pissed with rain all long weekend, atrocious conditions, hugely reduced traffic flows and they had the balls to say the death toll was directly related to the reduced tolerence.
Bullshit.
Less cars on thre road less accidents.
4 k's, bullshit.
What do some of the coppers on here think of this policy? What a prick to try an police?

Looks like the same thing will happen this weekend with the weather we are having.

[swbarnett]

they claim it saves lives.

The trouble is that TPTB don't know the first thing about statistics/ They latch on to the the slightest evidence that sounds even remotely supportive of their predetermined agenda. Even if this policy did have an affect it hasn't been in nearly long enough for the data to have any statistical sugnificance.

My own poinion is that it does NOT save lives. Yes, the road toll has been down for the long weekends since they brought it in. Guess what? Every one of these wekends* has had weather ranging from bad to atrocious, meaning that the traffic density is way down. Fewer cars means fewer accidents. Absolutely nothing to do with any decreased tolerance which, for most of us I suspect, means nothing because we're usually over the normal tolerance anyway.



*From memory

[imdying]

Only way to be sure is to have your speedo calibrated/use GPS. Safest for your license to travel around an indicated 90 though, there's plenty of passing lanes for those that want to take a risk.

On another note... if you actually want to frustrate other people, travelling at a constant 90 isn't really that good... 100-90-100-90... up and down over about every km, now that pisses them off. Perfectly legal, it's just driving to suit the conditions

[MarkH]

Every one of these wekends* has had weather ranging from bad to atrocious, meaning that the traffic density is way down. Fewer cars means fewer accidents. Absolutely nothing to do with any decreased tolerance which, for most of us I suspect, means nothing because we're usually over the normal tolerance anyway.

The weather may help, but that isn't the biggest factor*. If you checked the holiday weekend toll for 10 years you would see a large variation. With 9 to 11 public holidays a year we on have what - 7 or 8 holiday weekends? It would take a decade to get enough holiday weekend tolls to confirm any trend.

Statistics - the idiots don't know shit about how they work!



* The biggest factor is normal variance.

[Blinkwing]

Was driving the cage today, god so many people doing 80/90 on the motorway.

But the stupid thing is around the Harbour Bridge (SH1 from North Shore to Manukau) there's a lot of temporary 70/80 signs. People weren't following these signs, instead doing 80/90.

The fuck is up with that.

100 areas, people do 80/90 but in the temp 70/80 signs, people don't bother??

[Scuba_Steve]

Statistics - they're shit!

fixed it up a little. They know how they work & thats the problem.
Lies, damn lies & statistics!

[Toaster]

4 k's, bullshit.
What do some of the coppers on here think of this policy? What a prick to try an police?

I can't recall but isn't the tolerance either less than 4km/h or nil in Australia? Now that would really make the speed limit exactly that... a limit.

I would guess all of us ride thinking "yeah I have a few km's up my sleeve before the FiveO pull me over or do me the favour of a new photo for my Avatar", but the fact of the matter is that the extra km/h over the speed limit is not a defacto speed limit. Merely a tolerance of error, not an allowance for general use.

The way the speed cameras were brought in was first with signs and clear obvious positions, now they hide them and have no signs. The tolerance of 10km/h will no doubt become 4km/h permanently all year round. Then they may reduce it bit by bit until we hit the speed limit itself. I just can't help but feel that this is where they are going with it.

I just wish they would raise the open road limit on the dual carriage highways to 110km/h - much like Aussie.

[PrincessBandit]

Was driving the cage today, god so many people doing 80/90 on the motorway.

But the stupid thing is around the Harbour Bridge (SH1 from North Shore to Manukau) there's a lot of temporary 70/80 signs. People weren't following these signs, instead doing 80/90.

The fuck is up with that.

100 areas, people do 80/90 but in the temp 70/80 signs, people don't bother??

yeah, had the old "let's drive at 80kph in all the 100kph zones" today coming back from Wellington. Aaaarrrrggghhh! Could've understood it if the weather had been shite like the reports said it would be, but road conditions were pretty good. I lost track of the number of times Balu and I both said, what a pity we aren't on the bikes right now...

Oh, and my holiday game was very much an anticlimax - only counted 3 patrol cars, one paddy wagon, and 3 camera vans over the last 2 days. (And that was starting from Rangiora yesterday morning)! Guess they'll be out more in force tomorrow?

[ynot slow]

Anyone also realise fuel costs have reached high prices (over $1.90plus)since the 4km limit was mooted along with crappy weather.Hence combine fuel costs and weather and less traffic.

[baffa]

I'm always speeding in my car, And developing the same habit on the bike. After all, if the speed limit for learners is 70, if Im doing 100 whats another 10 or so? In saying that, a 250 naked v twin doesn't do much better than 100 with a head wind especially going up hill. I miss the torque of a v6 :/